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Post by nwhoopfan on Jul 12, 2019 18:15:07 GMT -8
Wow, some serious doubters here. Starting w/ the '13-'14 season, OSU has finished no lower than 3rd in the Pac 12 each year. Last year the 3 point shooting pretty much disappeared right after Tudor got hurt, there was no Ruth or Marie in the post, and yet they still finished 3rd. Have a little faith!
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Post by nwhoopfan on Jul 12, 2019 18:21:02 GMT -8
I hope you're right about SC, but I think he's slowly cleaned house and his recruiting is far better at this point than I expected. This is his 2nd stint at USC. Mediocre the first time, and looking like more of the same after 2 seasons the 2nd time around. I just don't see a reason to expect more from him/the program. He had a nice stint at New Mexico St. but he's never given any indication he will flourish in the Pac 12. 7 seasons combined, plenty big enough sample size. And lack of talent has never been the problem there. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jul 12, 2019 18:23:42 GMT -8
Wow, some serious doubters here. Starting w/ the '13-'14 season, OSU has finished no lower than 3rd in the Pac 12 each year. Last year the 3 point shooting pretty much disappeared right after Tudor got hurt, there was no Ruth or Marie in the post, and yet they still finished 3rd. Have a little faith! Conjecture... combined with a bit of lack of respect by some for opponents. 2013 forward has zero to do with this team's finish. So says 6 straight 20 win seasons in MBB '79-85 ish. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 12, 2019 18:53:41 GMT -8
I predict that Aliyah Mazyck's net contribution at uo will be negative. She will not take to being a bit player in the Sabrina show. I predict Aliyah Mazyck will not have an impact on UofO, negative or positive. Minyon Moore might be a different story however. Jesus Christmas. I knew that was the wrong name. Too late to fix it now. LOL on me! |
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Post by nwhoopfan on Jul 12, 2019 19:10:21 GMT -8
Wow, some serious doubters here. Starting w/ the '13-'14 season, OSU has finished no lower than 3rd in the Pac 12 each year. Last year the 3 point shooting pretty much disappeared right after Tudor got hurt, there was no Ruth or Marie in the post, and yet they still finished 3rd. Have a little faith! Conjecture... combined with a bit of lack of respect by some for opponents. 2013 forward has zero to do with this team's finish. So says 6 straight 20 win seasons in MBB '79-85 ish. At some point, consistency of results over a period of time can be a useful tool for predicting future results. The roster has completely turned over during that stretch, each team has had different strengths and weaknesses, yet OSU keeps finishing in the top 3. Their graduation losses are less significant than some of the teams chasing them.
MBB is hardly a relevant comparison. They fell off a cliff shortly after Ralph Miller retired and have never recovered. Rueck clearly has established a winning culture and he has most of his team back from last year plus some intriguing newcomers.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jul 12, 2019 19:50:13 GMT -8
Conjecture... combined with a bit of lack of respect by some for opponents. 2013 forward has zero to do with this team's finish. So says 6 straight 20 win seasons in MBB '79-85 ish. At some point, consistency of results over a period of time can be a useful tool for predicting future results. The roster has completely turned over during that stretch, each team has had different strengths and weaknesses, yet OSU keeps finishing in the top 3. Their graduation losses are less significant than some of the teams chasing them.
MBB is hardly a relevant comparison. They fell off a cliff shortly after Ralph Miller retired and have never recovered. Rueck clearly has established a winning culture and he has most of his team back from last year plus some intriguing newcomers.
While I see merits to both points of view, what has my attention is the emergence of some teams that you could almost pencil in the "W" in the early days. And thanks to our (to your point) consistent winning ways, we are neither sneaking up on anyone, and we are now seen as (among) the class of the Pac, and worth beating for RPI uplift, visibility, and just because we have been routinely beating many of these aforementioned teams. For example, our foul friends down south have never won at Gill in the Graves era (actually, Graves couldn't even muster a win when he was dribbling a ball on the floor for New Mexico in the Payton/Knox era). I may be wrong in my impression, but my impression is the Pac-12 is growing tougher by the season, and (as the point was made by nwhoopfan ), kudos to SR for remaining consistent up until now in "ratcheting up" along with the conference. What has me nervous is the tail end of last season felt particularly like we pulled a rabbit out of the hat, we peaked several weeks before season end and tourney time, and we saw some otherwise very reliable players have the doldrums by way of shooting, all while some of the teams we will play once, twice or more this season trended upward at season end. What I hope is that KB really does live up to her billing in KTMac's position, and the post goes back to be a dominating factor. But if we don't get some or all of that, I think the season could be challenging from the standpoint of staying in the top 3 (given one could make cogent arguments for about 5 or 6 teams to have a shot at those 3 slots). Now, if KB is all that, Jelena/Trish/Taylor start owning the paint, the forward position (Taya/AA?/Maddie?/Janessa) becomes a bit more dynamic, Jazz blows up, and the returning backcourt shines thoroughout the season and gets a shot in the arm with Kat coming back healed and fresh, we could be talking about winning the conference and the NCAA tournament. What I love is (again, given the stellar track record thus far) the optimistic scenario is plausible, but I reluctantly but realistically believe (along with baseba1111 ) that the "finish outside the top 3" is not outside the realm of possibility either. As to men's basketball, I am going to stay away from commenting on the cliff/ledge they went over many, many years ago, but I am appreciating the new talent coming in, the prospect of watching teams not unduly driven by "the sons", and have to give kudos to us having an upstanding coach, unlike Dana "I recruit rapists" Altman, Sean "pay to play" Miller, Andy "staff of felons" Enfield or the like......[wow, as I start to enumerate, I have to marvel at the prevalent scumbaggery in the MBB coaching ranks.....Tinkle gets another gold star.....]. Go Beavers! |
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Post by bvrbooster on Jul 12, 2019 20:14:55 GMT -8
I think that, once we entered conference play last year, our offensive deficiencies were exposed - and they were certainly made more evident by the loss of our best shooter. Katie brought a lot to the table, but, for all 4 years, she was a reluctant shooter. And, face it, Jo was never going to be capable of putting up big numbers on a regular basis. Consequently, there was too much pressure on our back court players to carry the scoring load, and, when Aleah or Destiny had an off shooting night, there wasn't anybody to pick up the slack.
With respect to 3 point shooting in general, even though the numbers went down toward the end of the year, we still finished 3rd in the nation in 3 point field goal percentage. When you can do that, you should keep hoisting em up. Remember, 10 of 25 from behind the arc produces as many points as 15 of 25 from inside it.
Taya? I'd much prefer she get 10 rebounds per game than 10 points. From that position, I'm just fine with the occasional 14 or 15 point performance, with more in the 6 to 8 range, and concentrate on boards and defense. I think she's going to have a fine year.
Let's not lose sight of the fact that she, Destiny, and Aleah were just sophomores last year. First 2 years, to a great extent you're getting comfortable in your role, getting used to the step up in all aspects of the game from high school, where you were the star, to Division 1, where everybody was a high school star. Now, as a junior, you're the established D1 player that all the underclassmen are trying to step their game up to. Big, big difference.
This year's team is going to be just fine.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Jul 12, 2019 20:30:36 GMT -8
Sure, top 3 finish is not a given. I've also given ASU the benefit of the doubt based on CTT's record over a period of time. They lost 3/4 of their frontcourt rotation (including as close as they had to a star in Ibis) and their top 3 point shooting threat. It would be easy enough to pencil them into the bottom half of the standings, but look at CTT's coaching record. They've finished lower than 5th only 3 times in the last 18 seasons. They've had to replace a whole bunch of players during that time, but they keep competing every year.
I just can't get behind USC. Their top 2 returning scorers from last year are Overbeck (6.9) and Aaron (6.6). I don't care how highly rated their Fr. are, they are totally in rebuilding mode.
As tough as the league is, not everybody is trending up. Cal and Utah both lost a lot. Colorado finished in the cellar and lost their 2 best players. Washington schools could be marginally improved but just don't have enough talent overall. Including my lack of faith in USC, that makes the bottom half of the league quite soft compared to the top half.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jul 12, 2019 20:38:38 GMT -8
OSU could indeed be fine. My point, so could 4-5 other teams.
The conjectures here seem to be one sided on this topic. OSU recruits will contribute and all of the other players will improve. Opponents (other than Furd and uck) recruiting contributions are negligible and the returning rosters empty of significant talent compared to OSU.
Oregon, Furd, UCLA all have very talented and athletic rosters returning. Also outstanding recruits. SC, ASU, and Zona are in the next tier and climbing fast. OSU has a ton of question marks, but see them closer to the top 3 than the next three.
Of course injuries and how kids develop, and how fast, are complete unknowns that can flip a team's fortunes no matter the coaching acumen.
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Post by 411500 on Jul 12, 2019 21:00:08 GMT -8
Well then, baseba1111, how about you making a prediction about where the Beavs will finish the season...
Then we can figure out how one sided your conjectures happen to be....
I, for one, will be interested in what you have to say.....
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Post by baseba1111 on Jul 12, 2019 22:13:13 GMT -8
Well then, baseba1111, how about you making a prediction about where the Beavs will finish the season... Then we can figure out how one sided your conjectures happen to be.... I, for one, will be interested in what you have to say..... Predictions are conjecture, and typically shouldn't be characterized by a bias. Although if it's a team you root for some seem to be somewhat blinded. I've been and actually rooted for the Beavers since 1969... earliest I can remember. My fandom has never waivered no matter the record or the prognostication made of a new season... unlike many. I also don't wear blinders, nor waste a lot of time talking about, let alone belittling opponents. That said with what I know now, without any catastrophic injuries or miraculous improvements... don't see OSU getting in the top 2 for sure. See 3rd higher probability than 6th. 4th or 5th maybe a lucky play or two apart, with 4th getting my biggest "bet". |
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Jul 13, 2019 6:02:49 GMT -8
I’m hoping we can find that steady post presence in the 5, whether its:
- Kennedy who brings solid defense inside, but is more of a high-post/stretch-5, though she definitely has solid post moves and can score in the paint. If her options are back up Taya at the 4 or start and play at the 5, I think I know which one she’ll choose.
- Trish, who brings a little, but not much, more Pac-12 experience than the other tall bigs. A big off-season will have been required if we want to depend in her, but she rebounds well, though needed work on both ends. Looked uncomfortable at times, but started to find her way.
- Jelena who brings strength and size down low, appears to be able to rebound very well and put up big numbers at the lower-pro level.
- Taylor, who adds a lot of length and versatility. She also rebounds well and put up big up big points and rebounding numbers at the HS level. Not sure her ability to score with the larger defenders she’ll see.
- Andrea, who brings both lots of size and lots of versatility, inside and outside threat.
- Maddie, who is very undersized, but plays her role well, and does what is asked.
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Post by shelby on Jul 13, 2019 7:42:10 GMT -8
All I want to see is an impenetrable inside and outside defense, with some full court press - when required.
Teams that are athletic, manhandle us on defense.
That alone can take us to the next level.
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Post by sagebrush on Jul 13, 2019 8:08:40 GMT -8
Some programs rebuild, some programs reload. I think Rueck has the OSU program is the reload mode.
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Post by bvrbooster on Jul 13, 2019 10:44:34 GMT -8
In the Rueck era, we never signed a 5 star recruit until Katie came along, so 4 years ago we had 1. The following year we signed Mikayla, so had 2 on that year's team. The next year we got Taya, and Destiny transferred in. That brings us to 3 /12, since Destiny couldn't play. Last year we had all 4 on the court, and Andrea not playing, so 4 1/2. This year, we've lost Katie, but gained Kennedy and Taylor, so 5 1/2 if Andrea can't play, 6 if she does. Next year we lose Mikayla, but already have Sasha committed, so the number will still be 6, and hopefully more. Add to that mix 4 stars, like Kat and Aleah, who have demonstrated that they could have been ranked higher, and you see the evolution of a program from Cinderella to very, very established.
The teams of a few years ago consisted of some very solid 4 stars and great choices in foreign recruiting, and the tremendous success they had came as a surprise to many (a pleasant one for us). Now we have a stable of thoroughbreds, and their success will be a surprise to none.
This year's team is going to be better than last year's, will win 25 + games, and make a deep run in the tournament. Next year's team is going to be better than this year's team. Will we finish at the top of the conference in either year? I kind of doubt it, but that's a testament to how ridiculously strong the conference is, not to any shortcoming on our part.
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