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Post by thetruebeav on Jun 29, 2019 7:10:53 GMT -8
So here is the good blend of talent coming into the 2019 season
Jarod Lucas 6-3 180 SG Los Altos, Cali- rated the 48th best at his position with offers from Fresneck, Runnin Rebels, Nevada, Tulsa & others. All Lucas did was become the Cali state all time leader scorer. He can fill it pretty good as y'all can imagine
Gianni Hunt 6-2 170 PG Bishop Montgomery, Cali- rated the 37 best at his position with offers from USC, Nevada, Runnin Rebels & the Banana Slugs. An athletic, strong point guard
Julien Franklin 6-6 180 SG-SF Villa Park, Cali- offers from New Mexico, UTEP, Rice, Pepperdine & others. Lanky, athletic wing
DeAaron Tucker 6-9 215 C-PF Universal Academy, Texas- offers from DePaul, Penn St & Wake Forest. Long, athletic big man
Shengzhe Li C 6-9 300 C San Margarita, Cali- original verbal to BYU... skilled big man
Sean Miller-Moore SF-SG 6-5 190 Moberly Area CC- 9 offers with the likes of Buffalo, UMAS and others. Good all around game and defense
Lots of depth this your for Coach T & a good amount of young talent coming into the program. Add these newbies with-
Kelly (continued growth for this super athletic big)
Dastrup (vetran big man that has played competitive minutes @ D1 level)
Tinkle (PAC 12 player of the year candidate & clear go 2 guy)
Hollins (athletic wing that has a chance to step up & play more minutes)
Reichle (improved shooting for this wing will help)
Ethan Thompson (can go to new levels moving away from point and being 2nd option)
Vernon (advanced minutes available at the point)
Keys to getting to the tourney
1. Establishing point guard play and allowing Ethan to move back to his comfortable shooting guard
2. Tinkle continued progression to player of the year PAC level & All American status (1st, 2nd, 3rd team)
3. Front court depth
4. Hollins & Vernon progression. There are more minutes available so go get em
5. Newbie wings develop and give depth & solid minutes off the bench
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Post by beavheart on Jun 29, 2019 9:38:21 GMT -8
I like the possibilities! This years team will hardly look like last years team. I could see a depth chart something like this,
1) Hunt, Vernon, Ethan
2) Ethan, Lucas, Reichle, Franklin
3) Tres, Hollins, Reichle, Miller-Moore, Franklin
4) Hollins, Dastrup, Tucker
5) Kelly, Li
By the way, we have already seen that the new ladies are on campus, but not a word about the men. Are any of the new recruits on campus? I never saw, but did Big Li sign a LOI? All I ever saw was a verbal commitment. Anyone know? Thanks
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Post by steinlager on Jun 29, 2019 11:21:52 GMT -8
I like the possibilities! This years team will hardly look like last years team. I could see a depth chart something like this, 1) Hunt, Vernon, Ethan 2) Ethan, Lucas, Reichle, Franklin 3) Tres, Reichle, Miller-Moore, Franklin 4) Dastrup, Tucker 5) Kelly, Li By the way, we have already seen that the new ladies are on campus, but not a word about the men. Are any of the new recruits on campus? I never saw, but did Big Li sign a LOI? All I ever saw was a verbal commitment. Anyone know? Thanks Hollins is still going to be a factor next season and hopefully breaks out with a big season. |
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Post by beavheart on Jun 29, 2019 15:19:34 GMT -8
Doh! Alfred will have to excuse me for spacing on him.
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Post by beaverinohio on Jun 30, 2019 8:08:19 GMT -8
Obviously everyone has to make it to campus and we'll need to see how the new guys look and develop, but it looks like we'll have some flexibility with lineups. Never a good thing when you have to depend on freshmen (especially ones that aren't highly touted), but we shall see. I think the two key players might be Hunt and Hollins. If Hunt can give some solid minutes at the point, then really have some flexibility with lineups. And Hollins needs to take a step forward.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Jul 16, 2019 9:33:40 GMT -8
They need the younger players to step up and take some of the scoring load off the coaches kids. I believe the coaches kids scored 70% of the points last year.
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Post by beaverinohio on Jul 16, 2019 13:51:06 GMT -8
They need the younger players to step up and take some of the scoring load off the coaches kids. I believe the coaches kids scored 70% of the points last year. Well that should drop some since only 2 coaches kids this year.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 4:37:53 GMT -8
Obviously everyone has to make it to campus and we'll need to see how the new guys look and develop, but it looks like we'll have some flexibility with lineups. Never a good thing when you have to depend on freshmen (especially ones that aren't highly touted), but we shall see. I think the two key players might be Hunt and Hollins. If Hunt can give some solid minutes at the point, then really have some flexibility with lineups. And Hollins needs to take a step forward. Agreed that Hunt has an opportunity to at least 50/50 the point position with Vernon, and that frees up Ethan to float for threes or work down low. Hollins is strong and quick and long enough to be a superior defender in the conference by now. With his athletic talent he doesnt need to force anything on offense to be a key player out there. He should watch some clips of GPII controlling the lanes and vaccuming up loose balls. Tres is, well simply the best player in the conference. i think we need to temper the expectations on Kelly a bit since he will have to play considerably minutes than last year. If he can just be smart about contact and limit his fouls he will be fine. Dastrup should help but if Li materializes beavs are as loaded with options as they have been in a while. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Jul 18, 2019 7:24:09 GMT -8
Obviously everyone has to make it to campus and we'll need to see how the new guys look and develop, but it looks like we'll have some flexibility with lineups. Never a good thing when you have to depend on freshmen (especially ones that aren't highly touted), but we shall see. I think the two key players might be Hunt and Hollins. If Hunt can give some solid minutes at the point, then really have some flexibility with lineups. And Hollins needs to take a step forward. Agreed that Hunt has an opportunity to at least 50/50 the point position with Vernon, and that frees up Ethan to float for threes or work down low. Hollins is strong and quick and long enough to be a superior defender in the conference by now. With his athletic talent he doesnt need to force anything on offense to be a key player out there. He should watch some clips of GPII controlling the lanes and vaccuming up loose balls. Tres is, well simply the best player in the conference. i think we need to temper the expectations on Kelly a bit since he will have to play considerably minutes than last year. If he can just be smart about contact and limit his fouls he will be fine. Dastrup should help but if Li materializes beavs are as loaded with options as they have been in a while. I'm still not sold on Vernon. The big problem I have with him is that he is too tentative. Maybe having a year under is belt will help with that, but I'm not sure. That's why I think how Hunt adjusts to the college game is so important this year. If the Beavs could get 15 mpg from him and 10 mpg from Vernon at the point that would mean Ethan would be able to play the 2 for a good portion of the game. After rewatching tape on Sean M-M, I'm exited to see what he can bring to the team. Reminds me a bit of Ethan athletically actually though a bit more explosive, and I'm guessing he's not as good a shooter as Ethan is. I could see the two of them playing a little together in the backcourt, which could be pretty explosive. Lucas is interesting too. Tape I've seen of him it doesn't look like the competition he faced was great -- he didn't really look undersized and he is only 6-2. But he also wasn't out "athlecticing" anyone He can shoot the ball though and hopefully that translates to the college game this year. If he shows enough, Reichle's minutes could be reduced some, which I don't think would be a bad thing. I'm not sure how much the two new bigs are going to help this year, which is why I think Hollins needs to take a big step forward. If he can that will give the Beavs some flexibility in the frontcourt. From tape on saw on Tucker, it looked like he might be able to help some defensively. Really didn't see much of an offensive game from him. Tough to get a read on Li since he was usually the tallest by a fair amount in tapes I saw. Looks like he has a little bit of an offensive game, but he needs to get a lot tougher and play big. I saw him take several step-back shots but the release was way too low. Might be fine when playing against 6-5 guys, but he'll get that blocked every time in college. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 8:41:22 GMT -8
Agreed that Hunt has an opportunity to at least 50/50 the point position with Vernon, and that frees up Ethan to float for threes or work down low. Hollins is strong and quick and long enough to be a superior defender in the conference by now. With his athletic talent he doesnt need to force anything on offense to be a key player out there. He should watch some clips of GPII controlling the lanes and vaccuming up loose balls. Tres is, well simply the best player in the conference. i think we need to temper the expectations on Kelly a bit since he will have to play considerably minutes than last year. If he can just be smart about contact and limit his fouls he will be fine. Dastrup should help but if Li materializes beavs are as loaded with options as they have been in a while. I'm still not sold on Vernon. The big problem I have with him is that he is too tentative. Maybe having a year under is belt will help with that, but I'm not sure. That's why I think how Hunt adjusts to the college game is so important this year. If the Beavs could get 15 mpg from him and 10 mpg from Vernon at the point that would mean Ethan would be able to play the 2 for a good portion of the game. After rewatching tape on Sean M-M, I'm exited to see what he can bring to the team. Reminds me a bit of Ethan athletically actually though a bit more explosive, and I'm guessing he's not as good a shooter as Ethan is. I could see the two of them playing a little together in the backcourt, which could be pretty explosive. Lucas is interesting too. Tape I've seen of him it doesn't look like the competition he faced was great -- he didn't really look undersized and he is only 6-2. But he also wasn't out "athlecticing" anyone He can shoot the ball though and hopefully that translates to the college game this year. If he shows enough, Reichle's minutes could be reduced some, which I don't think would be a bad thing. I'm not sure how much the two new bigs are going to help this year, which is why I think Hollins needs to take a big step forward. If he can that will give the Beavs some flexibility in the frontcourt. From tape on saw on Tucker, it looked like he might be able to help some defensively. Really didn't see much of an offensive game from him. Tough to get a read on Li since he was usually the tallest by a fair amount in tapes I saw. Looks like he has a little bit of an offensive game, but he needs to get a lot tougher and play big. I saw him take several step-back shots but the release was way too low. Might be fine when playing against 6-5 guys, but he'll get that blocked every time in college. i thought Vernon came along nicely for a freshman. I thought he was moderately assertive and showed a confident stroke. Gianni Hunt is definitely an upgrade as an athlete and he seems like a poised kid. Vernon will share his experience to make both better. That's who he is. Li? I agree he has to adjust to the D1 sized players and quick leaping players. Hoping he surprises us with moxie and contributes right away. One or two of the new bigs needs to emerge and survive the season long adjustment because Kelly and Dastrup is not enough. Kelly can get horsed around because of his build and Dastrup wont get bullied but he seems to be a plodder. A couple of the new bigs need to "stick" for OS to do anything in conference. |
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Jul 19, 2019 21:53:12 GMT -8
I'm still not sold on Vernon. The big problem I have with him is that he is too tentative. Maybe having a year under is belt will help with that, but I'm not sure. That's why I think how Hunt adjusts to the college game is so important this year. If the Beavs could get 15 mpg from him and 10 mpg from Vernon at the point that would mean Ethan would be able to play the 2 for a good portion of the game. After rewatching tape on Sean M-M, I'm exited to see what he can bring to the team. Reminds me a bit of Ethan athletically actually though a bit more explosive, and I'm guessing he's not as good a shooter as Ethan is. I could see the two of them playing a little together in the backcourt, which could be pretty explosive. Lucas is interesting too. Tape I've seen of him it doesn't look like the competition he faced was great -- he didn't really look undersized and he is only 6-2. But he also wasn't out "athlecticing" anyone He can shoot the ball though and hopefully that translates to the college game this year. If he shows enough, Reichle's minutes could be reduced some, which I don't think would be a bad thing. I'm not sure how much the two new bigs are going to help this year, which is why I think Hollins needs to take a big step forward. If he can that will give the Beavs some flexibility in the frontcourt. From tape on saw on Tucker, it looked like he might be able to help some defensively. Really didn't see much of an offensive game from him. Tough to get a read on Li since he was usually the tallest by a fair amount in tapes I saw. Looks like he has a little bit of an offensive game, but he needs to get a lot tougher and play big. I saw him take several step-back shots but the release was way too low. Might be fine when playing against 6-5 guys, but he'll get that blocked every time in college. i thought Vernon came along nicely for a freshman. I thought he was moderately assertive and showed a confident stroke. Gianni Hunt is definitely an upgrade as an athlete and he seems like a poised kid. Vernon will share his experience to make both better. That's who he is. Li? I agree he has to adjust to the D1 sized players and quick leaping players. Hoping he surprises us with moxie and contributes right away. One or two of the new bigs needs to emerge and survive the season long adjustment because Kelly and Dastrup is not enough. Kelly can get horsed around because of his build and Dastrup wont get bullied but he seems to be a plodder. A couple of the new bigs need to "stick" for OS to do anything in conference. I agree that the new bigs developing is going to be an important piece to the puzzle for next year, but let's not forget that Tres can play the 4 if need be and that is what he did for a majority of the season last season. I think he is better as a 3 and that plays to his strengths a little bit more but if for whatever reason we don't get much production out of the two freshmen bigs then I think we see Tres play a lot of 4 next season. Dastrup for me is also more of a 4 than a 5 so I would hope that that isn't the case and we see him able to use his shooting ability more than he probably would if he was forced to play 5 and spell Kelley for ~10-15 minutes per game.
I think there's 2 possible starting lineups to begin the season with some room for change if some of the new guys make a push for more PT. Those being either:
1. Hunt/Vernon
2. ET
3. Tres 4: Dastrup 5: Kelley
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1. Hunt/Vernon 2. ET 3. Hollins 4. Tres 5. Kelley
I would guess the 2nd lineup including Hollins is what we'll see to begin with, and I would think it's a good sign if Hunt starts right away as well because hopefully that would mean he's shown himself capable in practice to be ready to play right away. Regardless I think we see Hunt starting at some point next season similar to how Tres and Stevie worked their way into the starting lineup their freshman years.
I'm excited for next season they should be much deeper than any of Wayne's first 5 seasons outside of maybe the tourney season in year 2.
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Post by seastape on Jul 20, 2019 8:38:49 GMT -8
I usually try to avoid negativity on these boards, but I'm going to be honest here...I'm not sure I understand why people have Dastrup so high on their list of players for this team. His past record resembles of a long list of big men that OSU has signed in the past 30 years or so and never turned out to be much. I hope I'm wrong, but all I see is a 3 pt/2 reb/game type of guy...nothing to feature as a big piece of the plan.
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Post by ag87 on Jul 20, 2019 9:23:41 GMT -8
I usually try to avoid negativity on these boards, but I'm going to be honest here...I'm not sure I understand why people have Dastrup so high on their list of players for this team. His past record resembles of a long list of big men that OSU has signed in the past 30 years or so and never turned out to be much. I hope I'm wrong, but all I see is a 3 pt/2 reb/game type of guy...nothing to feature as a big piece of the plan. I can't say anything to his (Dastrup) basketball ability. But I have seen him at a few sporting events and I'm sure he is not taller than 6'8. If he has to play at the 5, we are in trouble. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Jul 21, 2019 5:54:06 GMT -8
It certainly isn’t like Dastrup is going to be a 15 and 10 guy. And I think he will have to play minutes at the 5 cuz Kylor can’t play them all and I find it hard to believe Li will be ready to contribute too much this season. I’m hoping he can give 6 to 8 ppg and 5 rpg, and be an energy guy.
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Post by alaskabeav on Aug 9, 2019 18:17:58 GMT -8
Wasn’t he 4 star out of hs
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