PAC 12 GOING TO 20 CONFERENCE GAMES

Consistent record of 13-15 wins....c'mon.

13+ wins in conference by school last 20 years:
Arizona - 9
ASU - 0
Cal - 3
Colorado - 0 (didn't join conference until 2011-12 season)
Oregon - 5
Oregon State - 0
Stanford - 5
UCLA - 8
USC - 0
UTah - 2 (didn't join conference until 2011-12 season)
Washington - 5
Wazzu - 1

Sure you add another two games, and some teams with 11-12 wins get there....but outside of Arizona and UCLA, nobody hit that 13 threshold in more than a quarter of the last 20 years, and NOBODY did it in 50% of the seasons.

Not saying Tinkle is doing a great job, but let's be realistic about what anyone you brought in here could do (unless they have a tight relationship with a shoe company).

I love when you basically prove my point for me.  Makes my life easier.

Kevin Stallings had a losing record in the SEC.

His first five seasons at Vanderbilt, he had six fewer conference wins than Wayne Tinkle.

Just for fun coach comparison first five years:

Coach 1    7, 11, 10, 12, and 5
Coach 2    7, 6, 12, 10, and 4

Which one is Stallings and which one is Tinkle?

Follow up question, which coach took his team to three postseason appearances and which team took his team to one?

Coach 1 is Stallings, and coach 2 is Tinkle.

Stallings' finishes in conference:

2000     7    NIT
2001    11
2002    10   NIT
2003    12
2004     5    Tournament
2005     6    NIT
2006     7    NIT
2007     2    Tournament
2008     4    Tournament
2009     8
2010     2    Tournament
2011     4    Tournament
2012     3    Tournament
2013    10
2014    11
2015     7    NIT
2016     5    Tournament

In the pre-2007 days, with no automatic qualifiers and a 40-team field, it was ridiculously easy for a team like Vanderbilt to make the NIT.  Oregon State would have been a shoe-in in 2015 and 2019 and would have been a borderline pick in 2018.  Only the 2015 Vanderbilt team was using the current system, so Stallings' "achievement" is more akin to 8 postseasons in 17 years with 7 of the 8 coming in the final 10 years. 

Vanderbilt was worse in year six than in year five and worse in year seven than year six, but Vanderbilt hung in with Stallings.  The result?  7 postseasons in the final 10 years.  Stallings had worse results than Tinkle his first 5 years and did not put together a better season than Tinkle's last year until year 8.

So, to answer your rhetorical question, yes, I would like to see a 247-137 (.643) run with 7 postseasons over the next 12 years, but you will only see success like that, if you are patient.  Sticking to unrealistic expectations and then running a good coach out of Dodge, when they are not met, is not a recipe for success for Oregon State University.

Since, we're going to quibble about Stallingses, it's "your" not "you're."

Tinkle took Oregon State, a much worse team over the previous 20+ years, to just as many Tournaments as Stalling took Vanderbilt.

Stallings had six fewer wins in the SEC over the first five years but was allowed to continue coaching another three years before reaching the Tournament a second time.  

In his first six seasons, Stallings went 2-11 against Kentucky, 0-7 everywhere but Nashville.  I guess losing to Kentucky year-in and year-out is an accomplishment?

Also, the Pac-12 was better than the SEC in 2016, and that is the year that Tinkle took Oregon State to the Tournament.  Tinkle has out-coached Stallings over their first five years, but there are  some that would not give Tinkle three years to right the ship, even though, a worse coach at a historically better team got three years to right the ship.

As to whether it was a good hire or not, it was a Gary Andersen good hire, just what you would expect out of a terrible AD.  It looks good on paper, but the coach is a sociopath.  I believe that Stallings made the move, because his life was falling apart.  A good AD would not have hired him, but Barnes did.  Stallings took a Tournament team and turned it into the worst team in Pittsburgh's 113-year history in two years.

My initial comments concerned hiring, but you brought up Kevin Stallings, who supports both of my points. 

First and foremost, Kevin Stallings does not lead Vanderbilt to 8 postseason berths in 17 years, unless the AD and fan base are patient enough to let him much his way through the first seven years.

And second, Kevin Stallings was a terrible hire.  The proof is in the pudding.  He cratered Pittsburgh in two years.  Barnes has a history of being a bad evaluator of basketball coaches.  It would be foolish to task Barnes with finding someone better than Tinkle.  Barnes is flatly incapable.  

Might as well go for the full 22. A conference game will draw more interest than one against some directional university. Some years the "missing" game will bite someone in the butt or give a team an extra boost. Better to have as level a playing field as possible IMO.

Settle down, the 13-15 conference wins is based on the new 2020-21 PAC 12, 20 game conference schedule. This is not outrageous to make Beaver Hoops in contention for a NCAA or NIT bid. I don't care about what the last 5, 10 or 20 years of stats you regurgitate...the 20 game conference schedule will be a new landscape... So we need to deal with what is presented. 12-15 wins out of 20 conference games, gives us a real chance for post season play. So, c'mon.

That's a fantastic avatar



But you could change your screen name to Totem Beav or something for maximum effect.