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Post by osubeaver2018 on Apr 29, 2019 20:57:12 GMT -8
It's one thing to have our guys transfer out but why don't we get many transferring in? I don't know if that's completely true. Seth Berger and Payton Dastrup were transfers here and I believe we were still looking into a guy from FAU, I'm not sure if he's decided where he's going yet. We have definitely had more guys leave than come in, but the coaching staff may not be looking to bring in a bunch of transfers necessarily too. |
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Post by beavheart on Apr 29, 2019 21:31:47 GMT -8
With big G graduating this feels like a major blow. I know there was chatter about him leaving but I really thought Warren would see the opportunity that was plainly in front of him.
I guess the new generation is all about themselves and getting thiers right now, but I am starting to lose faith. I have been squarely behind Tinkle. This just sucks. WW was full of potential. I hope there's a plan B here, because it is starting to really look like bad culture around this program.
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 29, 2019 22:42:58 GMT -8
As mentioned during the season at least one was leaving due to the culture. What you see publicly isn't all there is.
WW was the most athletic and complete of the young bigs. More athletic than KK, just not grown into his frame. He had a huge upside.
And... those 8th-10th rated Pac12 recruiting classes really aren't when 3 of 4 leave. FYI to those that think ALL schools have transfer issues... NOPE! Especially 3 of 4 during/after their frosh seasons. Also, the recruiting of another big was completely reactive to getting notice of another player, leaving not proactively adding talent.
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Post by ochobeavo on Apr 30, 2019 6:26:45 GMT -8
judge, you hit it with the AAU thing. not just AAU. Kids are changing high schools all the time too. Even the top Oregon kid just announced he's playing for Clackamas next year (played for Columbia Christian this past season). West Linn had something like 6-7 transfers a couple years ago. It's a thing... With all that said, interested to see where Washington ends up. Given the landing spots of our recent outbound transfers - Idaho, UCSB, Fresno, I have less and less faith in WT's recruiting chops. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 30, 2019 7:17:29 GMT -8
As mentioned during the season at least one was leaving due to the culture. What you see publicly isn't all there is. WW was the most athletic and complete of the young bigs. More athletic than KK, just not grown into his frame. He had a huge upside. And... those 8th-10th rated Pac12 recruiting classes really aren't when 3 of 4 leave. FYI to those that think ALL schools have transfer issues... NOPE! Especially 3 of 4 during/after their frosh seasons. Also, the recruiting of another big was completely reactive to getting notice of another player, leaving not proactively adding talent. uo, USC and ASU are also losing three players to transfers. Utah is losing 2 as well. The 3 from WSU are due to a coaching change, so I'll give them a pass |
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Post by beaverinohio on Apr 30, 2019 7:52:03 GMT -8
As mentioned during the season at least one was leaving due to the culture. What you see publicly isn't all there is. WW was the most athletic and complete of the young bigs. More athletic than KK, just not grown into his frame. He had a huge upside. And... those 8th-10th rated Pac12 recruiting classes really aren't when 3 of 4 leave. FYI to those that think ALL schools have transfer issues... NOPE! Especially 3 of 4 during/after their frosh seasons. Also, the recruiting of another big was completely reactive to getting notice of another player, leaving not proactively adding talent. uo, USC and ASU are also losing three players to transfers. Utah is losing 2 as well. The 3 from WSU are due to a coaching change, so I'll give them a pass According to Verbal Commits, so far Pac-12 has 31 players transferring out this year -- with every school except WA, UCLA and Stanford having at least one. Utah and WSU lead with 6 (all these numbers include mid-year transfers like the the first two from OSU), Cal has 5, and Oregon, the Beavs and USC have 3. Transfers are now a big part of the college basketball (as well as football) landscape. So far 740 have announced this year (with about 185 of those being grad transfers) to go along with 894 in 2018, 877 in 2017, and 799 in 2016. It is just the way things are now. There is no longer a stigma to transferring and a lot of kids would rather play more at a "lesser" school than play less at a Power 5 school. Considering how much time these kids have to put into the sport and the fact that if you're good enough professional teams will find you no matter what league you're playing in, it isn't too surprising. All that being said, the AD needs to be monitoring why players are transferring. Kids are going to leave because they're home sick, not making the grades or want more playing time and can read the writing on the wall. The 3 OSU transfers this year could easily fit into one of those categories, but the AD and his staff need to be digging deeper and making sure it isn't a culture thing (as some say) that is leading these players to transfer. If it is than the coaches need to make changes and if they don't then a coaching change might be warranted. I wasn't all that concerned about the first two transfers this year (though would have liked to see them stay). Losing Washington hurts more, but looking at it from his point of view he only averaged 7.8 mpg and played in double digit minutes 6 times. Dastrup will likely see most of Big G's minutes, so Washington was likely going to be lucky to average 10 mgp next year. If that's why he left than OK. But if it wasn't. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 30, 2019 7:59:50 GMT -8
Utah and WSU lead with 6 (all these numbers include mid-year transfers like the the first two from OSU), Cal has 5, and Oregon, the Beavs and USC have 3. Transfers are now a big part of the college basketball (as well as football) landscape. So far 740 have announced this year (with about 185 of those being grad transfers) to go along with 894 in 2018, 877 in 2017, and 799 in 2016.
So, essentially the "culture sucks" at almost every school in the country.
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Post by alwaysorange on Apr 30, 2019 8:04:31 GMT -8
I guess, as beaver fans, we can use the excuse that its happening everywhere so its no big deal. If our recruiting was above par it wouldn't be any big deal but our recruiting has been below par for a few years (well except for one year). It might taste a bit better if Warren Washington saw a new recruit coming in that was going to eat into his playing time - there isn't any such recruit.
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Post by beaverinohio on Apr 30, 2019 8:08:43 GMT -8
judge, you hit it with the AAU thing. not just AAU. Kids are changing high schools all the time too. Even the top Oregon kid just announced he's playing for Clackamas next year (played for Columbia Christian this past season). West Linn had something like 6-7 transfers a couple years ago. It's a thing... With all that said, interested to see where Washington ends up. Given the landing spots of our recent outbound transfers - Idaho, UCSB, Fresno, I have less and less faith in WT's recruiting chops. I don't think the landing spots of our outbound transfers is indicative of WT's recruiting ability -- though I think WT is at best an average recruiter. Most of these guys have at least in part been seeking more playing time, so you'd expect them to end up at lesser schools. In fact, if they were going to Power 5 schools than you might have a clear cut signal that a bad culture is a real problem. Another thing that shouldn't be overlooked is that transfers mean you have to go to Plan B or beyond to fill out the roster. So you're taking guys that you likely wouldn't have. However, should point out that neither Washington nor Wilson were late signees. Those were Campbell and Vernon. Campbell ends up transferring and Vernon is OK, but probably never more than a backup. |
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Post by seastape on Apr 30, 2019 8:13:46 GMT -8
uo, USC and ASU are also losing three players to transfers. Utah is losing 2 as well. The 3 from WSU are due to a coaching change, so I'll give them a pass According to Verbal Commits, so far Pac-12 has 31 players transferring out this year -- with every school except WA, UCLA and Stanford having at least one. Utah and WSU lead with 6 (all these numbers include mid-year transfers like the the first two from OSU), Cal has 5, and Oregon, the Beavs and USC have 3. Transfers are now a big part of the college basketball (as well as football) landscape. So far 740 have announced this year (with about 185 of those being grad transfers) to go along with 894 in 2018, 877 in 2017, and 799 in 2016. It is just the way things are now. There is no longer a stigma to transferring and a lot of kids would rather play more at a "lesser" school than play less at a Power 5 school. Considering how much time these kids have to put into the sport and the fact that if you're good enough professional teams will find you no matter what league you're playing in, it isn't too surprising. All that being said, the AD needs to be monitoring why players are transferring. Kids are going to leave because they're home sick, not making the grades or want more playing time and can read the writing on the wall. The 3 OSU transfers this year could easily fit into one of those categories, but the AD and his staff need to be digging deeper and making sure it isn't a culture thing (as some say) that is leading these players to transfer. If it is than the coaches need to make changes and if they don't then a coaching change might be warranted. I wasn't all that concerned about the first two transfers this year (though would have liked to see them stay). Losing Washington hurts more, but looking at it from his point of view he only averaged 7.8 mpg and played in double digit minutes 6 times. Dastrup will likely see most of Big G's minutes, so Washington was likely going to be lucky to average 10 mgp next year. If that's why he left than OK. But if it wasn't. I wonder if the number of transfers in those statistics is for Division 1 or all of NCAA basketball. If just D1...that's a lot. I think there's ~350 D1 teams...is that correct? If those transfers are all D1, that's 2.55 kids per school per year. That is quite the phenomenon. I will say...if I had a kid go to a school for a sport and she wanted to transfer due to lack of playing time...I would encourage it, especially if she felt that the school/coach wasn't right for her. We have no idea why Washington is transferring. Maybe the guy who grew up in San Diego County discovered that he really does not like the rain. Maybe he doesn't like college or OSU itself. Maybe he doesn't like/has no confidence in Tinkle and/or his assistants. Maybe there is a personality conflict. Maybe he is homesick. Maybe he is 100% selfish and he is leaving because he is not getting PT over other players who aren't, in his opinion, as good as he is. That last speculative statement is a harsh indictment of the kid and I would rather not see people make it without good, solid proof. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Apr 30, 2019 8:21:00 GMT -8
Seastape -- the website says Division 1 (though I didn't run down the list to check to make sure.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 30, 2019 8:26:30 GMT -8
I guess, as beaver fans, we can use the excuse that its happening everywhere so its no big deal. If our recruiting was above par it wouldn't be any big deal but our recruiting has been below par for a few years (well except for one year). It might taste a bit better if Warren Washington saw a new recruit coming in that was going to eat into his playing time - there isn't any such recruit. It's not an excuse. It's the new reality, everywhere. |
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Post by pcm on Apr 30, 2019 8:46:17 GMT -8
But how do you feel about this PCM? Let's not start being an understater at this point in the gsme. Tough loss. I thought he had high upside |
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Post by OSUprof on Apr 30, 2019 8:52:34 GMT -8
I guess, as beaver fans, we can use the excuse that its happening everywhere so its no big deal. If our recruiting was above par it wouldn't be any big deal but our recruiting has been below par for a few years (well except for one year). It might taste a bit better if Warren Washington saw a new recruit coming in that was going to eat into his playing time - there isn't any such recruit. Transfers are happening everywhere not unlike recruiting. The key is to have a net improvement of the program's lineup as a result of player movement like in recruiting.
If the program on balance is losing talent as a result of transfers, then it's a problem. The performance of the team on the floor will be the ultimate judge.
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Post by green85 on Apr 30, 2019 11:06:45 GMT -8
I guess, as beaver fans, we can use the excuse that its happening everywhere so its no big deal. If our recruiting was above par it wouldn't be any big deal but our recruiting has been below par for a few years (well except for one year). It might taste a bit better if Warren Washington saw a new recruit coming in that was going to eat into his playing time - there isn't any such recruit. Transfers are happening everywhere not unlike recruiting. The key is to have a net improvement of the program's lineup as a result of player movement like in recruiting.
If the program on balance is losing talent as a result of transfers, then it's a problem. The performance of the team on the floor will be the ultimate judge.
"performance of the team on the floor ..." A key point in that statement is the word "team". It is VERY difficult to build a "good team" in basketball when players don't stay but a year or two to develop in the program. Coaching philosophies vary for offense, defense and substitution patterns. It takes time to teach the "team concepts" for offense and defense in basketball. The one-and-dones have shown the positive of talent and the negative of turnover. Mid-majors and some Power 5 schools that have a starting 5 that have 3 players with 2 or more years with the team (and same coach_) tend to be very competitive with more talented teams that have more turnover. The transfer situation creates a similar set of challenges for building a team of experienced players. and both of these circumstances affect "performance of the team on the floor". |
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