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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 18, 2019 18:45:55 GMT -8
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Apr 18, 2019 18:46:27 GMT -8
GO BEAVS!
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 19, 2019 9:33:22 GMT -8
Beavs are in semi group 2 with Georgia, Denver and Oklahoma. Order for OSU is FX, V, UB, BB. Group 2 starts at 7 Central / 5 Pacific. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 19, 2019 15:37:35 GMT -8
It's on ESPN now. We are in second place after a solid floor rotation. They love Oklahoma and Georgia. Us and Denver not getting much TV time.
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Post by rangenerd on Apr 19, 2019 17:01:50 GMT -8
Placed third in the rotation. OU, Denver, OSU then Georgia.
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Post by bennyskid on Apr 19, 2019 18:03:13 GMT -8
one bad routine on the beam = done Great season though! Not true. That fall got struck and even if Isis got a 9.9 on that routine we still finish 3rd. No one routine did us in. Denver was simply .007 better than us all around. |
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Post by bennyskid on Apr 19, 2019 18:38:45 GMT -8
Again . . . The fall was struck. The lowest beam score were had to count was 9.8125. In fact, the lowest score we counted in the whole meet was a 9.775 on vault. Every other routine that scored was 9.8+.
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Post by shelby on Apr 19, 2019 21:03:45 GMT -8
Tough sport to understand, Too much showboating and judging bias by the actual judges in each area. Love to watch the routines and the athleticism ... but, the 'displays' after each routine, by every athlete - sort of take the shine off for me. Kind of like lobbying for a higher score when you may, or may not deserve it.
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Post by bennyskid on Apr 19, 2019 23:01:42 GMT -8
.... and it's also why top programs sell out their arenas. People like a show, and college gymnastics brings it.
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 20, 2019 6:47:46 GMT -8
Tough sport to understand, Too much showboating and judging bias by the actual judges in each area. Love to watch the routines and the athleticism ... but, the 'displays' after each routine, by every athlete - sort of take the shine off for me. Kind of like lobbying for a higher score when you may, or may not deserve it. Nothing says everyone has to like every sport. Personally I don’t understand the appeal of Biathlon. Cross Country Skiing and shooting air rifles? WTF? And don’t get me started on curling 🥌. |
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Post by TheGlove on Apr 20, 2019 7:39:08 GMT -8
Tough sport to understand, Too much showboating and judging bias by the actual judges in each area. Love to watch the routines and the athleticism ... but, the 'displays' after each routine, by every athlete - sort of take the shine off for me. Kind of like lobbying for a higher score when you may, or may not deserve it. Nothing says everyone has to like every sport. Personally I don’t understand the appeal of Biathlon. Cross Country Skiing and shooting air rifles? WTF? And don’t get me started on curling 🥌. Those aren’t air rifles, they are .22s. At least the biathlon doesn’t rely on judges to determine a winner. Fastest time wins. Period. I totally appreciate sports like gymnastics that require so much athleticism, skill, hard-work, etc, But the fact that the outcome can be influenced by human bias so easily, makes it less appealing to me. |
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Post by bennyskid on Apr 20, 2019 8:11:07 GMT -8
So I'm sure you don't like basketball or football, either. To be fair to gymnastics, the bias in scoring is no different than the bias in refereeing those sports. In basketball, we know that every ref has their tendencies - there are things they are quick to call and things they tend to let go. Same in gymnastics. The only difference is that in basketball, those biases are spread over dozens of calls and non-calls over the course of 40 minutes. In gymnastics they are concentrated in one score on one motion.
This isn't Cold War Era figure-skating. I haven't heard a whiff of complaint about bias in NCAA gymnastics judging, other than the home-court advantage that seems to be present in every sport. True, judging isn't consistent from meet-to-meet - the same performances might get a 196.2 in Corvallis but a 196.8 in Westwood. But that's true in hoops, too. Some games are called tight, some aren't. And, unlike basketball, the effect of loose judging doesn't really reward any one team. In basketball, a physical team benefits from loose refs, a finesse team benefits from tight ones. But in gymnastics, all the scores get inflated or deflated in rough proportion.
Any sport with a referee is going to be subject to some bias. Gymnastics is no worse than any other refereed sport, and better than some.
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Post by TheGlove on Apr 20, 2019 10:20:39 GMT -8
So I'm sure you don't like basketball or football, either. To be fair to gymnastics, the bias in scoring is no different than the bias in refereeing those sports. In basketball, we know that every ref has their tendencies - there are things they are quick to call and things they tend to let go. Same in gymnastics. The only difference is that in basketball, those biases are spread over dozens of calls and non-calls over the course of 40 minutes. In gymnastics they are concentrated in one score on one motion. This isn't Cold War Era figure-skating. I haven't heard a whiff of complaint about bias in NCAA gymnastics judging, other than the home-court advantage that seems to be present in every sport. True, judging isn't consistent from meet-to-meet - the same performances might get a 196.2 in Corvallis but a 196.8 in Westwood. But that's true in hoops, too. Some games are called tight, some aren't. And, unlike basketball, the effect of loose judging doesn't really reward any one team. In basketball, a physical team benefits from loose refs, a finesse team benefits from tight ones. But in gymnastics, all the scores get inflated or deflated in rough proportion. Any sport with a referee is going to be subject to some bias. Gymnastics is no worse than any other refereed sport, and better than some. Disagree. |
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Post by mbabeav on Apr 20, 2019 10:26:22 GMT -8
What a great season! Get em next year!
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 20, 2019 10:38:58 GMT -8
So I'm sure you don't like basketball or football, either. To be fair to gymnastics, the bias in scoring is no different than the bias in refereeing those sports. In basketball, we know that every ref has their tendencies - there are things they are quick to call and things they tend to let go. Same in gymnastics. The only difference is that in basketball, those biases are spread over dozens of calls and non-calls over the course of 40 minutes. In gymnastics they are concentrated in one score on one motion. This isn't Cold War Era figure-skating. I haven't heard a whiff of complaint about bias in NCAA gymnastics judging, other than the home-court advantage that seems to be present in every sport. True, judging isn't consistent from meet-to-meet - the same performances might get a 196.2 in Corvallis but a 196.8 in Westwood. But that's true in hoops, too. Some games are called tight, some aren't. And, unlike basketball, the effect of loose judging doesn't really reward any one team. In basketball, a physical team benefits from loose refs, a finesse team benefits from tight ones. But in gymnastics, all the scores get inflated or deflated in rough proportion. Any sport with a referee is going to be subject to some bias. Gymnastics is no worse than any other refereed sport, and better than some. Disagree. It'd be interesting to know how many formal judging complaints or protests are filed in the NCAA Championship meet. I suspect they are extremely rare. There is much more subjectivity in calling (or not calling) any of the dozens of offensive and defensive fouls in the course of a basketball game than there is in gymnastics. Namely because it is an individual sport you don't have to evaluate offensive versus defensive position, movement or intent. And at least in GYM (at the NCAA's) there are 6 judges, and the high and low scores are thrown out. Here are the judges scores for OSU at the NCAA's. You don't see much range in their scoring. osubeavers.com/documents/2019/4/19//Semifinal_2_Scoresheets.pdfYou certainly don't see any Bobby Hurley or Kim Mulkey behavior from any of the WGYM head coaches. |
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