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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 9, 2019 20:03:49 GMT -8
Oh, good grief. He is a very good college player that most likely won’t translate to the NBA. But to insinuate that dad is “protecting” him is BS. He could have went to another PAC 12 team and still had a very good career. I believe if he had gone to another PAC 12 school he would’ve been better. Really? So that would have made him quicker? Because that is his one weakness that affects him on both ends of the court. Tres is a top 15 player all-time at OSU. I think that he’s done fine here.
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Post by irimi on Apr 9, 2019 20:36:27 GMT -8
I believe if he had gone to another PAC 12 school he would’ve been better. Really? So that would have made him quicker? Because that is his one weakness that affects him on both ends of the court. Tres is a top 15 player all-time at OSU. I think that he’s done fine here. If that’s what you see, then that’s what you see. I’m ok with that.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 9, 2019 21:19:54 GMT -8
The disrespect Tres gets from our own fans is nauseating... He is a great player. The fact he is met with such diversion is baffling. Honestly pathetic behavior from our fans. Daddy ain't out there putting down a double double every night. He as a finalist for Pac-12 player of the year, went 20.8/8.1/3.8 on the season. Just.. Man, I dunno. What else does the kid gotta do to get some respect? Declare emancipation from his dad and change his name? Drew Eubanks and Stevie Jr both declared, both got feedback, and both returned. Eubanks declared the next year and left. If Tres wants honest feedback on his NBA potential, this is how he does it. OK. I agree on most of what you said. What I hoped to see from Tres was more leadership and command. I wanted to see the ability to lift a mediocre team and carry it beyond. We saw what the team was like without him in 2016-17. I think he's done plenty of lifting to get us to 16-16 and 18-13 after going 5-27.
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 9, 2019 22:46:37 GMT -8
Really? So that would have made him quicker? Because that is his one weakness that affects him on both ends of the court. Tres is a top 15 player all-time at OSU. I think that he’s done fine here. If that’s what you see, then that’s what you see. I’m ok with that. Even the article was very careful... all time statistical greats... I think it said. Tres is a fine college player. He should get feedback so he can get a good foreign deal... what he lacks can't be fixed with another year. But, the foreign $ will be there, enjoy college while you can. Or... go make 6 figures and see the world. No bad decision either way. But, don't think/let it influence that coming back makes OSU is tourney bound. They are not. Better with Tres, definitely. And, imho Tres is NOT top 15 in the annals of OSU hoops... in anything but stats. I'd definitely go Top 5-10 (without looking) in the 2000s.
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Post by bill82 on Apr 10, 2019 4:36:26 GMT -8
Since this is WT's make or break year coming up, I'd like to see how he does without Tres. Maybe team chemistry will improve with just one son left in the mix.
Besides, Tres has maxed out his pro potential. He wont learn to go to his opposite hand and he wont be a court leader next year. Seems like he would be a good third or fourth option on a European team.
As much as Eggers and the SID tried to make Tres into a historic OSU player, he is no better or worse than the countless players we have had that made a decent living playing pro ball outside the US. To make the all-time great list at OSU you have to have a few years in the NBA IMHO.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 5:25:47 GMT -8
He will probably come back for another year of experience and playing for his Dad. However, the fact that he has been in school 4 years and is almost 23 makes me think his stock will not get much higher then it is now. I know he has some holes in his game, but I am surprised he is not even on ESPNs top 100 NBA prospects list. I'd love to see Tres stick in the NBA, but I'm just not optimistic. And I say that because I can't think of anything he does that is at an elite level. He excels in the Pac-12 because he does a lot of things well, but I don't see anything that he's special at like the typical NBA talent. And some of his holes aren't very fixable (athleticism vs. NBA level talent, both at the offensive and defensive ends). I have been hopeful that he could be a David Lee type at the next level (with a better outside shot), but he'll need to bulk up to do that, and it's not what his game is today at all. This recent highlight from Westbrook was as good as I've seen on video of the athletic level of elite NBA players - it's pretty unreal. Westbrook is an unmitigated A-hole. There i said it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 5:27:39 GMT -8
Since this is WT's make or break year coming up, I'd like to see how he does without Tres. Maybe team chemistry will improve with just one son left in the mix. Besides, Tres has maxed out his pro potential. He wont learn to go to his opposite hand and he wont be a court leader next year. Seems like he would be a good third or fourth option on a European team. As much as Eggers and the SID tried to make Tres into a historic OSU player, he is no better or worse than the countless players we have had that made a decent living playing pro ball outside the US. To make the all-time great list at OSU you have to have a few years in the NBA IMHO. so for me to be the best club player in my men's golf club i would need to play in the PGA? Oh, so that's what's been missing in the respect level.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 10, 2019 5:53:23 GMT -8
To make the all-time great list at OSU you have to have a few years in the NBA IMHO. Guess that eliminates Mitch Canham and Dallas Buck and Jonah Nickerson and Kevin Gunderson, to name a few, from your list of all-time great OSU baseball players, since they never played above triple-A or didn't even make it that far. Or Cecil Ira, Ken Bowen, Joe Gerber and Dave Brundage, to name a few more. Who knew that Tres was just this generation's Jason Heide or Mustaffa Hoff.
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 10, 2019 6:41:33 GMT -8
To make the all-time great list at OSU you have to have a few years in the NBA IMHO. Guess that eliminates Mitch Canham and Dallas Buck and Jonah Nickerson and Kevin Gunderson, to name a few, from your list of all-time great OSU baseball players, since they never played above triple-A or didn't even make it that far. Or Cecil Ira, Ken Bowen, Joe Gerber and Dave Brundage, to name a few more. Who knew that Tres was just this generation's Jason Heide or Mustaffa Hoff. Yeah... because baseball and basketball are such apples to apples comparisons. Then of course naming several players who lead teams to the post season (or titles) and/or AA status doesn't really help your cause.
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 10, 2019 7:41:40 GMT -8
Guess that eliminates Mitch Canham and Dallas Buck and Jonah Nickerson and Kevin Gunderson, to name a few, from your list of all-time great OSU baseball players, since they never played above triple-A or didn't even make it that far. Or Cecil Ira, Ken Bowen, Joe Gerber and Dave Brundage, to name a few more. Who knew that Tres was just this generation's Jason Heide or Mustaffa Hoff. Yeah... because baseball and basketball are such apples to apples comparisons. Then of course naming several players who lead teams to the post season (or titles) and/or AA status doesn't really help your cause. The are plenty of good/great college basketball players that either sit on the end of the bench or don't make it at all in the NBA. Kyle Singler, Tyler Hansborough, Jimmer Fredette, Adam Morrison....etc.. I would also consider Charlie Sitton, Jose Ortiz and Scott Haskin to be pretty good college players that didn't make it.
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 10, 2019 8:30:56 GMT -8
Yeah... because baseball and basketball are such apples to apples comparisons. Then of course naming several players who lead teams to the post season (or titles) and/or AA status doesn't really help your cause. The are plenty of good/great college basketball players that either sit on the end of the bench or don't make it at all in the NBA. Kyle Singler, Tyler Hansborough, Jimmer Fredette, Adam Morrison....etc.. I would also consider Charlie Sitton, Jose Ortiz and Scott Haskin to be pretty good college players that didn't make it. Again... Tres is none of those guys... except statistically. The converse is like stating Tony Bennett was a great college player... cup of coffee in the NBA, some national team play, and currently the best career 3pt shooter in NCAA history. But, no. Different era, need for different skill set. Tres would have a prayer in the Larry Bird era NBA.
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 10, 2019 8:37:31 GMT -8
The are plenty of good/great college basketball players that either sit on the end of the bench or don't make it at all in the NBA. Kyle Singler, Tyler Hansborough, Jimmer Fredette, Adam Morrison....etc.. I would also consider Charlie Sitton, Jose Ortiz and Scott Haskin to be pretty good college players that didn't make it. Again... Tres is none of those guys... except statistically. The converse is like stating Tony Bennett was a great college player... cup of coffee in the NBA, some national team play, and currently the best career 3pt shooter in NCAA history. But, no. Different era, need for different skill set. Tres would have a prayer in the Larry Bird era NBA. I would put Tres' career pretty much in the same category as those players, but below our top 10-12 all time players. I knew this was due because we actually agreed on a couple of posts and we are currently over our monthly limit on post agreements
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 10, 2019 9:42:58 GMT -8
Yeah... because baseball and basketball are such apples to apples comparisons.
It's exactly apples to apples. His determining criteria for being an all-time OSU basketball great was having a few years in the NBA. If you didn't, you were not on his list.
So it must be so with baseball players/MLB, using his logic. And I guess with football players too, so sorry to Mike Hass, Ken Simonton, Jonathan Smith, Alexis Serna and Inoke Breckterfield, to name a few who don't meet his criteria either.
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 10, 2019 9:49:17 GMT -8
Yeah... because baseball and basketball are such apples to apples comparisons.
It's exactly apples to apples. His SOLE criteria for being an all-time OSU basketball great was having a few years in the NBA. If you didn't, you were not on his list. So it must be so with baseball players/MLB, using his logic. And I guess with football players too, so sorry to Mike Hass, Ken Simonton, Jonathan Smith, Alexis Serna and Inoke Breckterfield, to name a few who don't meet his criteria either. Terry Baker's number must be un-retired immediately! And Jess Lewis is no longer a Beaver legend.
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 10, 2019 11:19:19 GMT -8
Yeah... because baseball and basketball are such apples to apples comparisons.
It's exactly apples to apples. His SOLE criteria for being an all-time OSU basketball great was having a few years in the NBA. If you didn't, you were not on his list. So it must be so with baseball players/MLB, using his logic. And I guess with football players too, so sorry to Mike Hass, Ken Simonton, Jonathan Smith, Alexis Serna and Inoke Breckterfield, to name a few who don't meet his criteria either. No... it's not. Not in multiple ways. Too many to even go into. But, to each their own.
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