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Post by beaverdreams on Mar 14, 2016 20:25:56 GMT -8
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Post by beaverdreams on Mar 14, 2016 20:39:08 GMT -8
yeah, realized that after I posted it, but figured you guys would figure it out!
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 14, 2016 20:57:06 GMT -8
I looked at an article from a paper in Richmond after the announcement and they talked about playing Oregon State... then the next sentence was VCU will play the winner of the Oklahoma/Cal State in next round. No question in that writer's mind they were without risk of losing our game.
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 14, 2016 21:52:44 GMT -8
Comparing national ranking stats is pretty meaningless when the SOS difference is large (13 vs. 68) - which seems to be a common exercise. They are a good team and a tough matchup, but these kinds of stats comparisons are not going to be that meaningful.
Apparently their stud has a bum ankle as well. Sounds like they don't press like Shaka's old teams did either - do it a bit still, but not a lot due to needing to stay out of foul trouble. Kind of bummed, was hoping to see a lot of Eubank dunks on press-breaks.
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Post by justdamwin on Mar 15, 2016 7:27:40 GMT -8
I actually like the matchup OS vs. VCU for Oregon State. Oregon State is Guard-centric and what VCU wants to do will be very difficult against Bruce-GP2-Stevie Jr.- Duviver and throw in Olaf. Sure VCU will get points, but they will give up plays also. I worry more about team like Cal and even Stanford game 1, where the bigs just seem to come at the Beavs in waves. Take Oregon State with the line and straight up.
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Mar 15, 2016 8:19:28 GMT -8
Totally agree we've done very well w a smaller quicker lineup. And please don't throw in Olaf
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Post by georgevonbeaverstrom on Mar 15, 2016 8:38:23 GMT -8
Eh.. I can't really blame them (their message board folks) for feeling confident/overconfident. They've been there 6 straight times and had a couple nice tourney runs, favored going in, no Tres, etc. I can't even imagine being in the dance 6 times in a row, 24 wins for 10 straight seasons - reaching the point where it just becomes an expectation. But with that being said, it's going to be a long day for them when we go small ball and they realize they have their hands full with PJ/Stevie/GPII.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 9:37:48 GMT -8
And please don't throw in Olaf We're going to make an Olaf believer out of you somehow
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 15, 2016 10:00:15 GMT -8
Eh.. I can't really blame them (their message board folks) for feeling confident/overconfident. They've been there 6 straight times and had a couple nice tourney runs, favored going in, no Tres, etc. I can't even imagine being in the dance 6 times in a row, 24 wins for 10 straight seasons - reaching the point where it just becomes an expectation. But with that being said, it's going to be a long day for them when we go small ball and they realize they have their hands full with PJ/Stevie/GPII. Ya... turn the tables and we'd totally expect to dominate this game. Tourney experience... more experienced/Senior laden team that contribute... athletic in every position... physically stronger in every position... used to winning... playing a variety of good to great teams. VCU will not be in awe of the tourney, the environment, the opponent. All factors that our team have as minuses. Most of our high quality games (except Kansas... Valpo dis not make it and Tulsa do not compare in talent and rep) are from within our conference... not different leagues and various "styles" of play... Duke, FSU, Wisky, Geogia Tech. If we had their resume/experience/past NCAA tourney presence we'd be as cocky and the expectations would be flipped. Without Tres I'd say 27-33% win chance is about right.
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Post by bennysdentist on Mar 15, 2016 11:51:23 GMT -8
Eh.. I can't really blame them (their message board folks) for feeling confident/overconfident. They've been there 6 straight times and had a couple nice tourney runs, favored going in, no Tres, etc. I can't even imagine being in the dance 6 times in a row, 24 wins for 10 straight seasons - reaching the point where it just becomes an expectation. But with that being said, it's going to be a long day for them when we go small ball and they realize they have their hands full with PJ/Stevie/GPII. Ya... turn the tables and we'd totally expect to dominate this game. Tourney experience... more experienced/Senior laden team that contribute... athletic in every position... physically stronger in every position... used to winning... playing a variety of good to great teams. VCU will not be in awe of the tourney, the environment, the opponent. All factors that our team have as minuses. Most of our high quality games (except Kansas... Valpo dis not make it and Tulsa do not compare in talent and rep) are from within our conference... not different leagues and various "styles" of play... Duke, FSU, Wisky, Geogia Tech. If we had their resume/experience/past NCAA tourney presence we'd be as cocky and the expectations would be flipped. Without Tres I'd say 27-33% win chance is about right. Yeah we used to be the more experienced, more talented, etc. Remember how that worked out? Lamar, K State, Ball St, etc. GO BEAVERS!!!
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 15, 2016 12:20:21 GMT -8
Ya... turn the tables and we'd totally expect to dominate this game. Tourney experience... more experienced/Senior laden team that contribute... athletic in every position... physically stronger in every position... used to winning... playing a variety of good to great teams. VCU will not be in awe of the tourney, the environment, the opponent. All factors that our team have as minuses. Most of our high quality games (except Kansas... Valpo dis not make it and Tulsa do not compare in talent and rep) are from within our conference... not different leagues and various "styles" of play... Duke, FSU, Wisky, Geogia Tech. If we had their resume/experience/past NCAA tourney presence we'd be as cocky and the expectations would be flipped. Without Tres I'd say 27-33% win chance is about right. Yeah we used to be the more experienced, more talented, etc. Remember how that worked out? Lamar, K State, Ball St, etc. GO BEAVERS!!! Other than KSU I 'm not sure how much more talented overall?? We might have been the "bigger" name, but without going back to look my bet is those mid-majors were upper class dominated and deep. We always seemed to play like the moment was too big for us... EXCEPT for Lester and that team, my fav overall for many reasons.
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Post by gnawitall on Mar 15, 2016 12:40:46 GMT -8
Yeah we used to be the more experienced, more talented, etc. Remember how that worked out? Lamar, K State, Ball St, etc. GO BEAVERS!!! Other than KSU I 'm not sure how much more talented overall?? We might have been the "bigger" name, but without going back to look my bet is those mid-majors were upper class dominated and deep. We always seemed to play like the moment was too big for us... EXCEPT for Lester and that team, my fav overall for many reasons. I felt like, as great as Ralph was, our teams played under his complete control and somewhat tight. When tournament time came our players couldn't relax enough for what you describe as the moment being too big. They had to play for a coach they were afraid of and now under an extreme spotlight of not only the tournament but also being a favorite. Too much for the poor kids to endure. Lester was a different Cat :-)
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Post by justdamwin on Mar 16, 2016 8:58:27 GMT -8
And please don't throw in Olaf We're going to make an Olaf believer out of you somehow Olaf is a pretty good ball handler and especially passer in space, with his height could be key in initiating the Beaver offense. He is a good ball handler in the open court for his height. Also, his shooting ability and pulling his defender out of the paint opens room for the guards to make plays in the paint. The second half of the Cal v2 game comes to mind. Not telling you he's the guy to play defense on a team with a group of talented bigs.
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Post by beavadelic on Mar 16, 2016 18:07:27 GMT -8
Other than KSU I 'm not sure how much more talented overall?? We might have been the "bigger" name, but without going back to look my bet is those mid-majors were upper class dominated and deep. We always seemed to play like the moment was too big for us... EXCEPT for Lester and that team, my fav overall for many reasons. I felt like, as great as Ralph was, our teams played under his complete control and somewhat tight. When tournament time came our players couldn't relax enough for what you describe as the moment being too big. They had to play for a coach they were afraid of and now under an extreme spotlight of not only the tournament but also being a favorite. Too much for the poor kids to endure. Lester was a different Cat :-) Ralph cracked me up - he was such a curmudgeon. It tok a group with talent and confidence like the Radford-Blume group to soften him, culminating with him being a veritable puppy dog by GP's junior year (his last). He was a great coach, no doubt, but my big beef come tourney time was his preference for playing a 7 man - 8 man max -rotation. In the tourney, foul trouble and dead legs from playing so many minutes were huge problems for us!
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Post by garydog on Mar 17, 2016 7:22:14 GMT -8
Buncha homers (like us), but this dude's post gave me a chuckle in response to another poster laughing about Tinkle's last name:
Urine dangerous territory here. If you continue poking fun at their coach's name, you might get accused of yellow journalism. Do you really want to piss away your good standing on this board just to make a throwaway comment as this thread streams along? Your likes might slow down to a trickle if you keep posting things like this...better to just go with the flow.
I don't care who you are, that's pretty funny.
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