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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 25, 2019 8:12:04 GMT -8
UCLA beat them twice too. Oregon ducks were 10th place just a month ago, and PLAYING like the 10th place Pac-12 team. Nowhere near the same team now. How come we never get those kind of hot turn arounds? That's easy. Talent and coaching. Next question?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 25, 2019 8:27:15 GMT -8
UCLA beat them twice too. Oregon ducks were 10th place just a month ago, and PLAYING like the 10th place Pac-12 team. Nowhere near the same team now. How come we never get those kind of hot turn arounds? That's easy. Talent and coaching. Next question? Since the ducks are loaded with talent, you are saying obviously that Tinkle and Murray are better coaches than Altman for about 85% of the time? After all, the dux only stated winning much the final 2-3 week’s of the season. Maybe it was Altman’s secret plan to coach his team to underperform for 14 week’s to lull the opposition to sleep? That’s one great coach.
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 25, 2019 8:52:51 GMT -8
That's easy. Talent and coaching. Next question? Since the ducks are loaded with talent, you are saying obviously that Tinkle and Murray are better coaches than Altman for about 85% of the time? After all, the dux only stated winning much the final 2-3 week’s of the season. Maybe it was Altman’s secret plan to coach his team to underperform for 14 week’s to lull the opposition to sleep? That’s one great coach. Of course not. If you followed them at all you would know that Altman was beside himself trying to get his talented players to listen to him and play like a team verses a collection of individuals just trying to get theirs. He publicly stated just that after one of their many early losses. When they did realize that they sucked, and came around, they started winning. Shocking! They have a ton of talent. Not sure how the Murray thing entered the conversation so I will just skip that. Don't get me wrong, I think Altman is a terrible human being, but to not admit that he's a great coach is either biased or uneducated.
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 25, 2019 8:54:32 GMT -8
Their lack of an inside threat is tough to overcome without consistent outside shooting. They have a true PG that can create offense though when he's a consistent scoring threat - if Virginia can't throttle him, they are in trouble.
Virginia defends very well, but they just punished a very aggressive defense in the Anteaters, and I've seen Virginia go down in the tourney by teams able to do the same thing. tsdtr is a rhythm team, and OSU's more plodding style actually helped us a lot to keep they from getting anything going. I thought Wiscy would have done the same thing, but turns out they hardly needed to score to beat Wiscy.
Altman's teams have a history of putting it together later in the season - the evidence speaks for itself on his coaching ability. That said, they were an ASU miss in regulation in the Pac-12 tourney from being in the NIT at best... that's pretty late to finally decide to play to your potential.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 25, 2019 11:41:35 GMT -8
you don't wonder you think it's the coaching and the players. How come we never get those better coaching and players?!! They were wearing the same uniform and had the same roster when we played them, so I guess those Ws still count. General post... not "directed" in your thoughts specifically... Unfortunately in sports, some W's count more than others depending on the time of the season. I know there are over-the-top uck haters here, but, I'd trade those two W's for a current 10 game win streak... As for the "cheating"... I don't espouse the underhandedness of some schools, but also do not believe in the conspiracy theories and boogeymen. So, they are talented, deep, well coached... like DA or not, and until they are caught... they are 25-12, 10 game win streak at the exact right time, and in the Sweet 16. Facts! Everything else is sour grapes and makes "OSU Fan" seem petty and like the opponent fan bases often described by said Beaver fans. Corvallis vs Eugene, cheating, Nike vs Not, young, inexperienced, injury, etc, etc, etc all just fabrication and opinions to cover the fact our program has/still is underachieving in almost every area. Expect better as Beaver fans and quite blaming or excusing.
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Post by blastingsand on Mar 25, 2019 13:18:26 GMT -8
Once again their run earns each Pac-12 school a million (?) it looks like. Wonder where that will be used for at OSU. More locker room renovations?
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 25, 2019 14:22:33 GMT -8
Once again their run earns each Pac-12 school a million (?) it looks like. Wonder where that will be used for at OSU. More locker room renovations? They have earned three units, in the vicinity of $250K each. Divided somehow among the conference. Nowhere near close to $1 million per team.
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Post by ee1990 on Mar 25, 2019 15:25:26 GMT -8
That's easy. Talent and coaching. Next question? Since the ducks are loaded with talent, you are saying obviously that Tinkle and Murray are better coaches than Altman for about 85% of the time? After all, the dux only stated winning much the final 2-3 week’s of the season. Maybe it was Altman’s secret plan to coach his team to underperform for 14 week’s to lull the opposition to sleep? That’s one great coach. You are drunk and stupid. They've now won 13 tourney games in 9 years and are averaging 26 wins a season under Altman. But he's not a great coach.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 25, 2019 19:01:49 GMT -8
You are drunk and stupid. They've now won 13 tourney games in 9 years and are averaging 26 wins a season under Altman. But he's not a great coach. There seemed to be an implication that the dux success this year was coaching. I'd say it was talent, however acquired. If a team as talented as the dux can only win the number of league games it did this year, there's got to be at least some question about the coaching, especially if a team (or two) with far less talent can beat ghem a couple times during the season. Oregon is loaded with talent, they should have been winning all season long if their coach is so superior. I think Altman is a heck of a recruiter, or perhaps I should say shopper.
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Post by billsaab on Mar 25, 2019 19:25:06 GMT -8
What a dumb statement. I hate the ducks but you are either drunk or just dumb. Altman was good it Creiighten. His system I believe is better than Tinkles. He recruits 5 star guys. Yeah I hope they lose but really I will never watch them but they are good. We had our chances and screwed the pooch. I saw very little growth with our team. Sorry to insult You but many statements made were just wrong. On a good note the Gals beat Gonzaga.Something we could not do since Miller.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 26, 2019 6:53:09 GMT -8
What a dumb statement. I hate the ducks but you are either drunk or just dumb. Altman was good it Creiighten. His system I believe is better than Tinkles. He recruits 5 star guys. Yeah I hope they lose but really I will never watch them but they are good. We had our chances and screwed the pooch. I saw very little growth with our team. Sorry to insult You but many statements made were just wrong. On a good note the Gals beat Gonzaga.Something we could not do since Miller. You said “He recruits 5 star guys”. He gets them. Every coach recruits 5 star guys, most don’t get them. Start looking for reasons why he (and the football coach) is in the play for some of the top kids in the country year in and year out, and pay attention to what’s been going on at uo for the last 20 years or so and you’ll see they are doing things very differently than they did prior the mid-90s. The NCAA has literally changed the rule book due to various uo recruiting practices- billboards in NYC, x-boxes for every player, custom comic books, etc. Uo has a history of stretching the rules. Add in the “hospitality” squad scandal where Sports Illustrated claimed the dux were using sex as a recruiting tool, and being implicated of buying recruits in the FBI corruption investigation last year, the whole and it’s just more examples of how the dux seem to go “the extra mile” for recruiting. Like it or not, that school has a certain “culture” that gives it an edge in recruiting, whether it’s because it’s a bigger town or more nefarious reasons. My claim is that when you have that much talent on the team, it can make a coach’s coaching skills look better. I've yet to see headlines like this come from OSU’S basketball program... www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/nancy-armour/2017/03/31/oregon-dana-altman-put-wins-ahead-what-is-right-final-four/99891368/www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1995-04-14-9504140101-story.html
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Post by green85 on Mar 26, 2019 11:19:37 GMT -8
What a dumb statement. I hate the ducks but you are either drunk or just dumb. Altman was good it Creiighten. His system I believe is better than Tinkles. He recruits 5 star guys. Yeah I hope they lose but really I will never watch them but they are good. We had our chances and screwed the pooch. I saw very little growth with our team. Sorry to insult You but many statements made were just wrong. On a good note the Gals beat Gonzaga.Something we could not do since Miller. You said “He recruits 5 star guys”. He gets them. Every coach recruits 5 star guys, most don’t get them. Start looking for reasons why he (and the football coach) is in the play for some of the top kids in the country year in and year out, and pay attention to what’s been going on at uo for the last 20 years or so and you’ll see they are doing things very differently than they did prior the mid-90s. The NCAA has literally changed the rule book due to various uo recruiting practices- billboards in NYC, x-boxes for every player, custom comic books, etc. Uo has a history of stretching the rules. Add in the “hospitality” squad scandal where Sports Illustrated claimed the dux were using sex as a recruiting tool, and being implicated of buying recruits in the FBI corruption investigation last year, the whole and it’s just more examples of how the dux seem to go “the extra mile” for recruiting. Like it or not, that school has a certain “culture” that gives it an edge in recruiting, whether it’s because it’s a bigger town or more nefarious reasons. My claim is that when you have that much talent on the team, it can make a coach’s coaching skills look better. I've yet to see headlines like this come from OSU’S basketball program... www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/nancy-armour/2017/03/31/oregon-dana-altman-put-wins-ahead-what-is-right-final-four/99891368/www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1995-04-14-9504140101-story.htmlNothing in the FBI investigation implicates Oregon. One assertion by one person was discounted by the FBI as just a person of interest trying to shift the focus from him and his school. No one at Oregon is under investigation by the FBI in the corruption scandal involving agents skirting rules to influence players to attend certain schools. You can dislike Altman for whatever reason you choose. I honestly think he did not "rush to judgment" on the assault case by suspending the players because he was advised not to by the administration. BTW, Providence specifically said they did not share information about Austin's release from their program - regardless of the insinuation that "basketball is a tight community" and therefore Altman had to know, the fact is the people involved at Providence and at Oregon said the info was not shared before the transfer.
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 26, 2019 12:45:35 GMT -8
What a dumb statement. I hate the ducks but you are either drunk or just dumb. Altman was good it Creiighten. His system I believe is better than Tinkles. He recruits 5 star guys. Yeah I hope they lose but really I will never watch them but they are good. We had our chances and screwed the pooch. I saw very little growth with our team. Sorry to insult You but many statements made were just wrong. On a good note the Gals beat Gonzaga.Something we could not do since Miller. You said “He recruits 5 star guys”. He gets them. Every coach recruits 5 star guys, most don’t get them. Start looking for reasons why he (and the football coach) is in the play for some of the top kids in the country year in and year out, and pay attention to what’s been going on at uo for the last 20 years or so and you’ll see they are doing things very differently than they did prior the mid-90s. The NCAA has literally changed the rule book due to various uo recruiting practices- billboards in NYC, x-boxes for every player, custom comic books, etc. Uo has a history of stretching the rules. Add in the “hospitality” squad scandal where Sports Illustrated claimed the dux were using sex as a recruiting tool, and being implicated of buying recruits in the FBI corruption investigation last year, the whole and it’s just more examples of how the dux seem to go “the extra mile” for recruiting. Like it or not, that school has a certain “culture” that gives it an edge in recruiting, whether it’s because it’s a bigger town or more nefarious reasons. My claim is that when you have that much talent on the team, it can make a coach’s coaching skills look better. I've yet to see headlines like this come from OSU’S basketball program... www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/nancy-armour/2017/03/31/oregon-dana-altman-put-wins-ahead-what-is-right-final-four/99891368/www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1995-04-14-9504140101-story.htmlAnother version: I've yet to see headlines like this come from OSU’S basketball program...in this century.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 26, 2019 14:04:03 GMT -8
You said “He recruits 5 star guys”. He gets them. Every coach recruits 5 star guys, most don’t get them. Start looking for reasons why he (and the football coach) is in the play for some of the top kids in the country year in and year out, and pay attention to what’s been going on at uo for the last 20 years or so and you’ll see they are doing things very differently than they did prior the mid-90s. The NCAA has literally changed the rule book due to various uo recruiting practices- billboards in NYC, x-boxes for every player, custom comic books, etc. Uo has a history of stretching the rules. Add in the “hospitality” squad scandal where Sports Illustrated claimed the dux were using sex as a recruiting tool, and being implicated of buying recruits in the FBI corruption investigation last year, the whole and it’s just more examples of how the dux seem to go “the extra mile” for recruiting. Like it or not, that school has a certain “culture” that gives it an edge in recruiting, whether it’s because it’s a bigger town or more nefarious reasons. My claim is that when you have that much talent on the team, it can make a coach’s coaching skills look better. I've yet to see headlines like this come from OSU’S basketball program... www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/nancy-armour/2017/03/31/oregon-dana-altman-put-wins-ahead-what-is-right-final-four/99891368/www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1995-04-14-9504140101-story.htmlNothing in the FBI investigation implicates Oregon. One assertion by one person was discounted by the FBI as just a person of interest trying to shift the focus from him and his school. No one at Oregon is under investigation by the FBI in the corruption scandal involving agents skirting rules to influence players to attend certain schools. You can dislike Altman for whatever reason you choose. I honestly think he did not "rush to judgment" on the assault case by suspending the players because he was advised not to by the administration. BTW, Providence specifically said they did not share information about Austin's release from their program - regardless of the insinuation that "basketball is a tight community" and therefore Altman had to know, the fact is the people involved at Providence and at Oregon said the info was not shared before the transfer. Give it time. Another accusation out today on Bol Bol getting $$$ to play at uo. The money may be coming from Nike, but it's basically on uo's behalf. At some point it could become quite embarrassing for the dux.
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Post by green85 on Mar 27, 2019 9:38:54 GMT -8
Nothing in the FBI investigation implicates Oregon. One assertion by one person was discounted by the FBI as just a person of interest trying to shift the focus from him and his school. No one at Oregon is under investigation by the FBI in the corruption scandal involving agents skirting rules to influence players to attend certain schools. You can dislike Altman for whatever reason you choose. I honestly think he did not "rush to judgment" on the assault case by suspending the players because he was advised not to by the administration. BTW, Providence specifically said they did not share information about Austin's release from their program - regardless of the insinuation that "basketball is a tight community" and therefore Altman had to know, the fact is the people involved at Providence and at Oregon said the info was not shared before the transfer. Give it time. Another accusation out today on Bol Bol getting $$$ to play at uo. The money may be coming from Nike, but it's basically on uo's behalf. At some point it could become quite embarrassing for the dux. I have read several posts in reaction to the Avenatti assertions about Nike. One of those posts pointed out that neither U of O nor Nike would gain much by taking such a huge risk as to pay ANY player to come to Oregon. Nike can use its influence in over-the-counter ways (versus underhanded, shady methods) to achieve whatever goals they have to advance their business. Nike has DOZENS of universities marketing contracts and associations that pay dividends for the company in revenue streams. To favor a particular school in recruiting a particular player would certainly be foolish in terms of risk to the overall business. That does not preclude what appears to have happened with the current FBI investigation that nabbed at least two individuals who directly tried to use leverage to influence players to attend certain schools - and to have the network of connections where an agent that would represent that player in their pro career. The fact that one of the individuals was directly connected to Addidas does not necessarily make the Addidas company directly involved (as in the actions by the individual were not at the direction or on behalf of Addidas). It is possible that one or more people saw (see) the potential professional career of Bol Bol as a source of revenue for them to be associated with his choice of agent. Those people might or might not be associated with Nike and/or an AAU program sponsored by Nike - but like Addidas the actions by those individuals could/would have nothing to do with Nike (e.g. not at the direction or for the benefit of Nike). But hey, if the company name Nike is mentioned in relation to Oregon, it MUST MEAN there is corruption ... at least for the audience of posters on this board. And I am not naive enough to think that anyone here would assume anything but the negative view of Oregon.
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