jbjam
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Post by jbjam on Mar 17, 2019 9:59:40 GMT -8
Upward trend? Do you think OSU will win more conf games next year? I agree we would all love Riley level success ( minus last 3 years.) Minus the last year? Ops you are right! Really just the last 1.5 years, 2012 was a good year. How quickly we forget things (at least me.) Riley was a solid coach. I do think it was time for all to move on (or him to shake up his staff.)
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 17, 2019 10:07:19 GMT -8
This basically was the best season of the last 29. More importantly, this was the best season of the last three. Tinkle has had one down season in 5, and that was going to happen pretty much no matter who was coach due to the recruiting the 2-3 years prior to Tinkle's hiring. Talk about getting a new head coach when the team is on a downswing makes sense, when it's on an upward trend it doesn't. Pat casey inherited a pretty good product when he came in, but it took about a decade to start producing good tournament teams, thank goodness people weren't in a rush to success with baseball like they are with basketball and football. As far as Riley goes, virtually every OSU fan would love to that kind of success again. Upward trend? Do you think OSU will win more conf games next year? I agree we would all love Riley level success (minus last 3 years.) Assuming Tres, Kylor, Ethan, Vernon, Payton, Warren and either Alfred or Zack return, and stay healthy, I think OSU will win more out of conference games and as many or more league games than they did this year. Riley won 21 football games his last 3 years. OSU has won a total of 9 in the last 4.
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Post by babeav on Mar 17, 2019 10:15:44 GMT -8
Unless he improves 10 fold in the off season Zach should consider moving down a level, a step slow and can’t find his shot, good kid but not a PAC-12 player.
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Post by gnawitall on Mar 17, 2019 12:29:59 GMT -8
It's definitely a personal perspective. I'd be happy for any bowl game. Also be happy with being in the dance. The thing of it is that it is far easier to make a bowl game than it is to make the Tournament or the NIT. There are almost three times as many basketball teams as football teams. Fewer than 20% of all basketball teams make the Tournament, and 32 bids go to the champions of the 32 conferences. Finishing in the top 68 in basketball is more analogous to finishing in the top 25 in football than going to a bowl game. I agree that it is about perspective. true for sure. My argument in that scenario is how can one compare the two? In hoops, a six year period of two NIT bids and two dance bids would be awesome. Is that asking too much?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 17, 2019 12:50:04 GMT -8
The thing of it is that it is far easier to make a bowl game than it is to make the Tournament or the NIT. There are almost three times as many basketball teams as football teams. Fewer than 20% of all basketball teams make the Tournament, and 32 bids go to the champions of the 32 conferences. Finishing in the top 68 in basketball is more analogous to finishing in the top 25 in football than going to a bowl game. I agree that it is about perspective. true for sure. My argument in that scenario is how can one compare the two? In hoops, a six year period of two NIT bids and two dance bids would be awesome. Is that asking too much? When you are asking that of a team that has been to only one or two of each in the last 28-29 years it IS asking too much. I really hope that somehow OSU gets an invite to the NIT, but I really don't expect it this year because of the tail end of the season. I'd hope that they'd look at the losses and say due to the number of one and two point games we'd be competitive and worthy of an invite, but it's tough to say. If we get in, next year should provide the 3rd major post-season tournament in 6 years, which is a heck of a lot better than the last 30, then we can start raising expectations. We've got posters here who bang the drum that the tournament trip in Tinkle's 2nd season was a fluke, then complain loudly that we can't get top recruits. Some of our own fans can't accept that kids might not buy into a program that they themselves won't buy into. Well, failure begets failure and success begets success. Overcoming the stigma of long term failure can take some time, and often times you have to accept small successes to lead to bigger successes.
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jbjam
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Post by jbjam on Mar 17, 2019 16:07:45 GMT -8
Upward trend? Do you think OSU will win more conf games next year? I agree we would all love Riley level success (minus last 3 years.) Assuming Tres, Kylor, Ethan, Vernon, Payton, Warren and either Alfred or Zack return, and stay healthy, I think OSU will win more out of conference games and as many or more league games than they did this year. Riley won 21 football games his last 3 years. OSU has won a total of 9 in the last 4. I hope you are right, and I am wrong. He isn't going anywhere so we will see what happens next year. Myself, I just dont feel that optimistic with a lot of teamwork/play I saw in several games. I am not an expert at all so, we will see.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 17, 2019 17:10:35 GMT -8
One thing I am looking forward to:
Next year, assuming Antoine comes back, OSU will have a legitimate point guard. That hasn't been the case for a few years. Antoine is legit, if the new recruit beats him out he should be legit as well.
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Post by albanianbeav on Mar 17, 2019 17:14:57 GMT -8
One thing I am looking forward to: Next year, assuming Antoine comes back, OSU will have a legitimate point guard. That hasn't been the case for a few years. Antoine is legit, if the new recruit beats him out he should be legit as well. I hope he knows this and works his tail off this off-season. He was a hard worker on the floor, let’s hope that translates to the practice gym.
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Post by giantkillers83 on Mar 17, 2019 17:59:28 GMT -8
I have no problem with where Beavs finished per se.... that’s just symptom of the problem. Which, just in my mind, is that the Beavs did not improve over the year. Not that I could see. And I have season tickets. This isn’t new, no. When people talk about making coaching changes ... and the response is that’s a defeatist attitude..... ok. I get that.
But, let’s look back..... OSU struck out on how many good coaches the last 2 cycles alone. Forget before that. Robinson was not even on radar.... Tinkle was not a prime candidate. So I’m not sure just punting now, again.... is going to solve any problems. Personally, I’d give Wayne more time. Let him coach without the “kids”... otherwise we are hiring some other semi ok coach from wherever.
Alternatives ?.... and I offer alternatives.... Beavers go get Eric Musselman and offer the competitive salary and commitment it would take to make OSU relevant in basketball. ..... we all know OSU won’t do that....
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 17, 2019 18:58:05 GMT -8
I have no problem with where Beavs finished per se.... that’s just symptom of the problem. Which, just in my mind, is that the Beavs did not improve over the year. Not that I could see. And I have season tickets. This isn’t new, no. When people talk about making coaching changes ... and the response is that’s a defeatist attitude..... ok. I get that. But, let’s look back..... OSU struck out on how many good coaches the last 2 cycles alone. Forget before that. Robinson was not even on radar.... Tinkle was not a prime candidate. So I’m not sure just punting now, again.... is going to solve any problems. Personally, I’d give Wayne more time. Let him coach without the “kids”... otherwise we are hiring some other semi ok coach from wherever. Alternatives ?.... and I offer alternatives.... Beavers go get Eric Musselman and offer the competitive salary and commitment it would take to make OSU relevant in basketball. ..... we all know OSU won’t do that.... Not Mussleman.,,,,please. I want program built, not transfer U.
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Post by greshambeaver on Mar 17, 2019 19:29:44 GMT -8
Craig Robinson was 39–69 (.362) in conference play in his 6 seasons here. Wayne Tinkle is 35–55 (.388) in conference play in his 5 seasons here. If you only look at Robinsons first 5 years, he won 31 conference games. Tinkle has accomplished nearly the same CR did through 5 years and he's done that with multiple 4* players, including having GP2 for two seasons. Robinson was fired for this type of record, but for some reason, we're supposed to give props to Tinkle for going 10-8? Tinkle has had his chance to do something positive with this program and he's failed. Going 10-8 with this group of players in this down conference is not a feat. He's had time to build a program his way and build a core group of players. In year 5, that got us nowhere. As i mentioned before, this is a season of what could have been. The PAC is down and OSU was returning one of the most experienced teams in the league. This is the type of season that a historically bad program like OSU can use to accomplish something that is normally much tougher. Winning the conference and making the tournament was not a long shot, and should have been a realistic goal. This was OSU's best chance to win the conference. Going 10-8 is not a great feat. It's a great disappointment. And lastly.... OSU beat Cal by 8 points, at HOME. Playing them a second time on their court was no guaranteed victory. Craig Robinson inherited 9 of Jay John’s top 11 players and about 60 points a game. Some of those guys who were significant contributors were around for Robinson’s first 3 years. Tinkle inherited zero starters, the top returning scorer averaged 4.0 points a game and all of the returning players accounted for about 20 points a game under Robinson. The only one who made it beyond 2 seasons was N’Diaye. I’d suspect if John had left the program in as poor of shape for returning players as Robinson had Robinson’s first 2-3 years would have had much worse records. Just sayin’ you can’t look at win-loss records in a vacuum to make legitimate comparisons.
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Post by greshambeaver on Mar 17, 2019 19:31:41 GMT -8
Oh my gawd. Comparing Twinkle to Robinson? Craig was a better coach and better recruiter and a better man... PERIOD. Dump Twinkle, his son is going to the NBA, even if he stays...DUMP DADDY!
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Mar 17, 2019 19:37:15 GMT -8
Oh my gawd. Comparing Twinkle to Robinson? Craig was a better coach and better recruiter and a better man... PERIOD. Dump Twinkle, his son is going to the NBA, even if he stays...DUMP DADDY! I can understand coaching and recruiting when making comparisons.. those are things you can see and compare. but how did you come up with the better man angle?
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 17, 2019 19:55:59 GMT -8
Oh my gawd. Comparing Twinkle to Robinson? Craig was a better coach and better recruiter and a better man... PERIOD. Dump Twinkle, his son is going to the NBA, even if he stays...DUMP DADDY! I’d rather dump gresham. But, that might be piling on.
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Post by ee1990 on Mar 18, 2019 0:08:56 GMT -8
I don't share the same enthusiasm that you do. - What would our record be had the PAC not been the worst it's been as a conference in a long time? There are no PAC teams in the top 25 and Wash looks to be the only team that will make the tourney. - I love that we beat the ducks, but what if Bol Bol stayed healthy? - Fans are not years behind, the program is years behind. - Yes, a few exciting games. Mostly huge disappointment from a "what if" season. - Tres is a good player, but I wouldn't call him dynamic or the type that can take a game over. - Is the #4 seed in a conference with zero top 25 teams an accomplishment? - More games? I'm not sure watching more games like last night will make anyone celebrate. Bol Bol was one 5 star player. The duks had TEN four and five star players signed the last 3 recruiting cycles in addition to Bol. I'm not sure how many of them played this year, but it's not like Bol was the only decent player on that team. Bol Bol would have been the runaway conference POTY. He was averaging 20/10/2.
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