|
Post by beavheart on Mar 6, 2019 22:15:13 GMT -8
But for an ounce of this kind of effort at home the last couple games....
*sigh*
|
|
|
Post by baseba1111 on Mar 6, 2019 23:01:20 GMT -8
I am just disappointed in how often KK is open near the hoop and they refuse to go inside to him. I would have loved to see them get KK the ball about 10 feet from the basket on that final play in regulation. Either KK or Tres with a turnaround jumper from about that spot. Sigh. Post game radio leaving 5A tourney (PS- don't waste your time until the semis. OSAA... one more round of home games. Top 4 boys and girls over two days. I believe the average first round difference in 5A and 6A boys was over 20)... Anyway... WT drew up their "thumbs up" play... quick weave, hit mid/high post (there all game... announcers mentioned it over and over), attack a window, kick if they collapse, draw at least a foul. However, it had one option, hit the high post. But, no one flashed. Who was supposed to? I'm guessing Tres as dad went straight to him on the court after time expired pointing to where he was to go. Also very very disappointing comments about players. No wonder one (more?) is disgruntled. And, seemed weird he addressed playing time of some players. Summary of comments... ...players that didn't get a lot of run tonight need to understand and have our backs Saturday... we saw this as a must win game and played the guys we trusted to get it done... WTF? 29 games in you don't have trust in your depth? Your "guys" made key mistakes, didn't drop to help on Dickerson late, missed key shots and free throws. WT then spent 30 or more seconds talking about how mature Tres is... handled hecklers... battled thru bad stretches... briefly talked about KK and a loose ball Stevie created. Then talked about watching film was going to be painful... how UW must have taken away last play. Nope Wayne you know that wasn't it... looked like someone just stood behind the defender on the opposite block vs flashing to mid paint. Moral victories? 9-5 to 12-5 if we can coach/execute in close games. But, nope... 9-8 with several blunders in this game. Players are "trained" to execute in close games. Lack of said execution on a consistent basis is NOT just the players. Watch the replay... crazy amount simple mistakes. There's a reason this team has been in 14 games decided by 5 points or less and is 6-8 in those games. Funny... those of us that point out factual failures over the last 5 seasons are unreasonable... bottom tier recruiting, too many defections, lack of offensive cohesion/scheme, lack of player development especially in the post, poor late game decision making, not taking advantage of the weakest Pac12 era in memory. But, the retorts almost always focus on comparative studies. And, the comparison is to the worst era of coaches and seasons in OSU history. The program is a bit better than crap before... awesome.
|
|
|
Post by beavsinorange on Mar 6, 2019 23:50:35 GMT -8
Tough loss. But I'm really proud how the guys competed tonight. These losses are frustrating, but I strongly believe this program is heading in the right direction. If I'm wrong, I'll eat my words. Tinkle and his staff are building a culture of doing the right thing on and off the court. In addition, we're improving on the road. For those of you that want Coach Tinkle fired, be careful what you wish for. We made a huge mistake in 2000 when we fired Eddie Payne, who was a great coach, and the program suffered under Ritchie McKay and Jay John( 2005 NIT was good). We need to bounce back and win Saturday to clinch a top 4 seed. Impressed how the team bounced back tonight.
|
|
|
Post by alwaysorange on Mar 7, 2019 6:12:31 GMT -8
It is tiring spending a timeout supposedly setting up a play only to throw up a last second desperation shot. It's the same result in the regular offense. Dribble out front for 15 seconds wasting half the shot clock and often again have no where to go with the ball. Dont know if the players dont listen during timeouts or they listen and it's poor strategy. In either case in a last shot scenario based on history I'd rather have the players just freelance with no timeouts.
|
|
|
Post by alwaysorange on Mar 7, 2019 9:36:39 GMT -8
Since apparently Tinkle went with the guys he trusted look for Hollins to say adios soon. Hollins has lost all confidence - last year didn't he have a 24 point game? Now he doesn't even look at the hoop. maybe he doesn't practice well I don't know but what talent he has is being wasted.
|
|
|
Post by gnawitall on Mar 7, 2019 13:41:04 GMT -8
Since apparently Tinkle went with the guys he trusted look for Hollins to say adios soon. Hollins has lost all confidence - last year didn't he have a 24 point game? Now he doesn't even look at the hoop. maybe he doesn't practice well I don't know but what talent he has is being wasted. hard to get shots in a son centered offense.
|
|
|
Post by gnawitall on Mar 7, 2019 13:42:03 GMT -8
I wonder if Wayne got Tres' autograph after the game.
|
|
|
Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 7, 2019 14:47:13 GMT -8
Alfred Hollins is shooting 40% from the field, 27% from 3 and 45% from the foul line in Pac-12 games. You earn your time by performing. He hasn't.
|
|
|
Post by gnawitall on Mar 7, 2019 15:24:14 GMT -8
Alfred Hollins is shooting 40% from the field, 27% from 3 and 45% from the foul line in Pac-12 games. You earn your time by performing. He hasn't. FGA Tres 409 Stevie 431 Hollins 134 I'm of the opinion that confidence grows when you feel comfortable in the game. I played small college basketball. When I was a Junior the coaches son was on the team, frosh. On one occasion the son was about 1-10 from the field and as he ran by the bench on transition dad says 'keep shooting' I understand your angle but I think there is another side to it.
|
|
|
Post by beaver94 on Mar 7, 2019 15:37:04 GMT -8
Alfred Hollins is shooting 40% from the field, 27% from 3 and 45% from the foul line in Pac-12 games. You earn your time by performing. He hasn't. FGA Tres 409 Stevie 431 Hollins 134 I'm of the opinion that confidence grows when you feel comfortable in the game. I played small college basketball. When I was a Junior the coaches son was on the team, frosh. On one occasion the son was about 1-10 from the field and as he ran by the bench on transition dad says 'keep shooting' I understand your angle but I think there is another side to it. It sounds like you have a somewhat reasonable bias against coaches kids. That doesn't mean every experience is the same as yours. Hollins simply hasn't performed as well as last year from the start of this season. The coaches sons were on the team last year when he performed much better.
|
|
|
Post by gnawitall on Mar 7, 2019 15:44:26 GMT -8
FGA Tres 409 Stevie 431 Hollins 134 I'm of the opinion that confidence grows when you feel comfortable in the game. I played small college basketball. When I was a Junior the coaches son was on the team, frosh. On one occasion the son was about 1-10 from the field and as he ran by the bench on transition dad says 'keep shooting' I understand your angle but I think there is another side to it. It sounds like you have a somewhat reasonable bias against coaches kids. That doesn't mean every experience is the same as yours. Hollins simply hasn't performed as well as last year from the start of this season. The coaches sons were on the team last year when he performed much better. had a high school situation very similar so I'm sure I have some.
|
|
|
Post by gnawitall on Mar 7, 2019 15:47:08 GMT -8
It sounds like you have a somewhat reasonable bias against coaches kids. That doesn't mean every experience is the same as yours. Hollins simply hasn't performed as well as last year from the start of this season. The coaches sons were on the team last year when he performed much better. had a high school situation very similar so I'm sure I have some. Ethan being in his second year may have put pressure on him. Just a thought.
|
|
|
Post by Judge Smails on Mar 7, 2019 16:35:49 GMT -8
Alfred Hollins is shooting 40% from the field, 27% from 3 and 45% from the foul line in Pac-12 games. You earn your time by performing. He hasn't. As bad as he has shot lately, Tinkle has limited his minutes more due to his poor positioning on defense. While he has much more athleticism than Reichle, he gets lost on the defensive end and he is not in the right spot. Riechle is less athletic but he does know where he is supposed to be on defense.....even though he does get beat off the dribble at times due to his quickness issue. With Reichle also not shooting very well, it kind of puts Tinkle in a no-win situation with both of them. He has addressed this the last 2 games by playing Big G and Kelley at the same time and moving Tres to the 3.
|
|
|
Post by seastape on Mar 7, 2019 17:23:35 GMT -8
Alfred Hollins is shooting 40% from the field, 27% from 3 and 45% from the foul line in Pac-12 games. You earn your time by performing. He hasn't. As bad as he has shot lately, Tinkle has limited his minutes more due to his poor positioning on defense. While he has much more athleticism than Reichle, he gets lost on the defensive end and he is not in the right spot. Riechle is less athletic but he does know where he is supposed to be on defense.....even though he does get beat off the dribble at times due to his quickness issue. With Reichle also not shooting very well, it kind of puts Tinkle in a no-win situation with both of them. He has addressed this the last 2 games by playing Big G and Kelley at the same time and moving Tres to the 3. Five best players on the floor
|
|
|
Post by osubeaver2018 on Mar 7, 2019 23:52:42 GMT -8
As bad as he has shot lately, Tinkle has limited his minutes more due to his poor positioning on defense. While he has much more athleticism than Reichle, he gets lost on the defensive end and he is not in the right spot. Riechle is less athletic but he does know where he is supposed to be on defense.....even though he does get beat off the dribble at times due to his quickness issue. With Reichle also not shooting very well, it kind of puts Tinkle in a no-win situation with both of them. He has addressed this the last 2 games by playing Big G and Kelley at the same time and moving Tres to the 3. Five best players on the floor I think the team has played it's best with Toine on the floor IMO. He's a reliable shooter (might have the best 3 pt % on the team and don't think he's missed a FT either), and the announcers last night pointed out a great example of his penetration in the 2nd half setting up a wide open look for Stevie which was huge at that point in the game. WW has put in good minutes too and I've been saying since the O/B scrimmage that I am really excited about his potential.
|
|