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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 6, 2019 11:14:10 GMT -8
I can’t help but think if OSU won the pac-12 tournament and racked up W’s against Stanford and swoosh, the seeding committee would have to place the Beavs in Portland and ship swooshies to some other region.
Is it likely? No. But it’s March and strange things have been known to happen.
Fire away 🔥
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Post by jegerklog on Mar 6, 2019 11:54:50 GMT -8
I agree. If the 3 point game came back, and more specifically, if everyone became a scoring threat to discourage defensive sagging and double teaming, I think the Beavers have a chance. And of course the defense is critical. With the potential of 3 games in 3 days, I wonder if Reuck will use the bench a little more than usual if the opportunity presents itself? He did say in the interview that in three game tournaments they wind up running on fumes for the last game.
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Post by skyrider on Mar 6, 2019 12:06:16 GMT -8
Much as I root for our team, I just do not see it "in the cards" for us to win this tournament and/or go very far in the NCAA Tourney this year.
In no way I am faulting their effort, dedication, and desire to win.
The reality is that the games they have won in conference have been mostly by narrow margins.
They have lost some games by fairly significant margins.
The things they normally seem to do the best-3 point shooting- is missing.
Also, I believe Destiny is struggling with the balance between scoring and assisting. She has tremendous physical tools and is giving 100% but something is out of sync. We her ability to penetrate the defense we should be getting all sorts of open looks for 3 and/or open mid to close range shots for her. It happens sometimes but not near enough to win many games in a row this time of year. Also she has struggled on defense since this is her first year in a defensive system that is likely much different than anything she has ever experienced.
Nevertheless, I believe this group has accomplished a lot considering (a) the loss of Kat Tudor and (b) the red shirting of their freshman center who I believe is the highest rated recruit they have ever had.
Go Beavers (I hope I am wrong as I often am!)
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Post by jefframp on Mar 6, 2019 15:43:28 GMT -8
I can’t help but think if OSU won the pac-12 tournament and racked up W’s against Stanford and swoosh, the seeding committee would have to place the Beavs in Portland and ship swooshies to some other region. Is it likely? No. But it’s March and strange things have been known to happen. Fire away 🔥 One minor detail would be to also win the Corvallis Sub-Regional. If we can get Taya and Katie to stop throwing up bricks from behind the arc.............why not? |
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Post by bvrbooster on Mar 6, 2019 18:06:50 GMT -8
Having beaten the Ducks, we have demonstrated that we can win any game, even without Kat. But, to beat (presumably) Stanford and Oregon on successive nights is going to require a superlative offensive effort, and that has to include Taya. Another of her 1 for 6 efforts will, I fear, spell our doom.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 6, 2019 19:59:04 GMT -8
We will not end up in PDX no matter what happens. The committee will give it to the ucks even if they lose in the 1st round of the PAC 12 tourney. I hate to give them a pass, but they will get the bid based on Hebard being out for 2 of their losses.
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Post by beaveragain on Mar 6, 2019 20:08:51 GMT -8
I agree, it's all on Taya if we don't win.
It's been an odd season for the Beav's. It has either been the offense or the defense clicking and never both. Jo's play has given them an offensive and defensive tool that they have not had until the last 4 games where she has averaged 10 more minutes/game than previously. Will they be able to keep taking advantage of her increased play to up their game? Will the Beav's be able to get the offense going at the same time as the defense?
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Post by bvrbooster on Mar 6, 2019 22:31:01 GMT -8
I don't think you worded that the way you meant to. It's not 'all on Taya' if we lose. If Destiny has another game in which her point total equals her personal foul total, we're going to lose. If the team overall shoots 6 for 27 from 3, we're going to lose. Or if we go 9 for 20 from the free throw line, we're going to lose. All of those scenarios would play out the same no matter what Taya does.
But, if everybody else plays their normal game but Taya continues to struggle, I just can't envision us winning 3 in Vegas. Also, it would behoove us to really, really focus on rebounding.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Mar 6, 2019 23:12:46 GMT -8
I always believe the Beavers are going to win.
To say any one player could possibly be at fault for a loss is ridiculous. There is no way any of the staff or players would think so let alone say it. These girls truly believe that they are family and I bet they will defend each other vehemently.
Winning the tournament should play into the seeding but the $ behind the schmucks will probably win out.
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Post by beaveragain on Mar 7, 2019 0:24:11 GMT -8
My comment on blaming Taya was an attempt toward sarcasm. No one player will be to blame for a loss or responsible for a win. It's a team game and they share both.
And Taya's been ripping the rebounds and playing good D and passing has been steady. The only ones shooting consistently are Mik and Jo, so to get down on Taya for her shooting would be absurd.
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Post by osu82 on Mar 7, 2019 1:28:55 GMT -8
My comment on blaming Taya was an attempt toward sarcasm. No one player will be to blame for a loss or responsible for a win. It's a team game and they share both. And Taya's been ripping the rebounds and playing good D and passing has been steady. The only ones shooting consistently are Mik and Jo, so to get down on Taya for her shooting would be absurd. Some consistent scoring from either (or both) the 3 or 4 positions would greatly enhance their post season prospects. This time last year Gulich loaded the team on her back and took them on a nice post season run. Pivec has been her steady self, but she needs help. Time for the seniors to step up. |
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Post by skyrider on Mar 7, 2019 1:55:48 GMT -8
Unfortunately the one senior who could make a big difference scoring wise is Katie.
While she is a wonderful all around player and leader, her shooting percentage/scoring per game has never reached it's potential.
If you watch the arc of her shots, it is always a very flat arc to the basket.
This leads to a much smaller margin of error than a higher arcing shot that has more potential ways of ending up in the net. Virtually all her misses "clang" off the front of the rim with no chance to end up in the basket.
I am aware of this because all through high school and small college basketball I shot this way also. I was never smart enough to figure out that by increasing the arc of my shots I would have a much better chance of the ball going in the basket. Amazingly no coach ever told me to shoot differently.
Katie's dad is a coach so I assume he has told her (or someone has!).
Anyway it's too late now to do anything about it, but it is a glaring example of how small things can make a big difference.
She is good enough in other ways and big enough (6'2") that had she been a better scorer she would probably had a legitimate shot at the WNBA.
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Post by jegerklog on Mar 7, 2019 7:45:56 GMT -8
It seems like everyone on this thread is "more or less" in agreement although the assessments have been framed in different ways. Very informative thread with many interesting details. Thank you.
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 7, 2019 7:52:06 GMT -8
We will not end up in PDX no matter what happens. The committee will give it to the ucks even if they lose in the 1st round of the PAC 12 tourney. I hate to give them a pass, but they will get the bid based on Hebard being out for 2 of their losses. Only one way to find out, right? 🏆 |
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 7, 2019 11:30:26 GMT -8
I don't think the committee puts that much stock into games that late in the season. Their historically evidence just seems to indicate they've already locked things in. The only things the conference tournaments seem to impact are the bubble spots - e.g. two teams closely matching for a 1 seed, positions on the bubble, etc. I just do not see any any major movement happening due to conference tournaments.
That said, since nobody in the Pac 12 is going to be a 1 seed, is there really that much preference going to Stanford or Oregon on being in the West? I would think there would be significant weight on balancing the brackets out, after placing the 1 seeds. It's also not really that fair to the #1 seed in the west to put a #2 seed that will have a much closer fan-base and make it more like they are the 1 seed.
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