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Post by beaverboilermaker on Feb 19, 2019 19:37:48 GMT -8
Can't fault the AD for some of the scheduling this year. The Dam City game against A&M doesn't look like a tough game because of how much A&M fell off a cliff this year after a Sweet 16 appearance last year. Missouri, another SEC team is struggling much the same, and had we won that game would have played then #12 KState instead of Penn.
These are the 2 biggest issues with SOS this year - the first OSU could not control, but the 2nd was all on the team. I cannot calculate the exact difference, but OSU's resume could have looked a lot better even with the same overall record! Win against Mizzu, and even a loss to KState greatly improves the resume. The most important games on the OSU schedule EVERY YEAR are the preseason tournament early-round games, because winning sets you up to play against better teams all the way to the final. The worst case happened last season, when a first-round loss set OSU up with a game against a bad opponent they beat in Gill a week earlier, and eliminated any chance to play a game against the tourney's top teams.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 20, 2019 11:33:28 GMT -8
Now we dropped to #87, yet the ucks remain at #69. We are not getting a lot of help from our opponents.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 20, 2019 11:46:05 GMT -8
Now we dropped to #87, yet the ucks remain at #69. We are not getting a lot of help from our opponents. Or too much help? Texas A&M upset Alabama and jumped Oregon State. South Carolina beat Ole Miss and now is in fourth in the SEC. The Gamecocks were the other team that passed Oregon State. Neither South Carolina nor Texas A&M is likely going to the Tournament. We should really be worrying about teams 20+ spots in front of the Beavers rather than the teams immediately around them right now. Absent a ton of help from their former opponents, Oregon State needs to go at least .500 against the next six opponents to have a shot.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 20, 2019 11:52:00 GMT -8
Non-conference NET: UC Riverside 312 Wyoming 317 Old Dominion 81 Missouri 92 Penn 112 @long Beach State 235 Missouri State 147 @saint Louis 118 Texas A&M 86 Pepperdine 170 Kent State 135 Central Connecticut 288
What a terrible non conference schedule. Combine that with a very mediocre conference and that's why we are stuck where we are. The losses to Kent St. and Stanford were killers. I think the only teams on that list that are "up" this year are Penn, Saint Louis, Pepperdine, and Kent State. The other eight teams are down an average about 50 spots from where they were last year. Wyoming, for example, was a top 100 team last year but is a bottom 40 team this year. Missouri and Texas A&M are way down this year. Long Beach State is also way down. The fact that the conference is down does not help matters.
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Post by seastape on Feb 20, 2019 14:02:13 GMT -8
It's looking more and more like the only way in is to win the Pac 12 tourney
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Post by atownbeaver on Feb 20, 2019 14:36:32 GMT -8
It's looking more and more like the only way in is to win the Pac 12 tourney
I hate to say I agree. OOC losses, coupled with a weak overall OOC, spell doom. OSU doesn't have a signature win on a national scene. The national perception is the Pac-12 is trash, which probably not that wildly inaccurate, so here we are. I mean, geez, UW is 20-5 and 11-1 in the Pac and can't sniff the top 25. It doesn't help that UW is 0-3 against AP ranked teams and the Pac-12 on the whole is 3-15 against AP ranked teams.
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Post by sagebrush on Feb 20, 2019 15:53:59 GMT -8
Agree. That is why the Pac gets their automatic, period.
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Post by obf on Feb 21, 2019 8:44:42 GMT -8
Agree. That is why the Pac gets their automatic, period. Not disagreeing... But, man, that's sad. Once upon a time the Pac-10/12 was the best MBB conference in all the land. My oh my how the mighty have fallen I am sure there is blame to be laid at lots of feet, but just in general... how did this happen? It isn't just teh failed Pac-12 network, this has been a long slow train wreck. Can the conference recover? What would it take?
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 21, 2019 9:38:18 GMT -8
Agree. That is why the Pac gets their automatic, period. Not disagreeing... But, man, that's sad. Once upon a time the Pac-10/12 was the best MBB conference in all the land. My oh my how the mighty have fallen I am sure there is blame to be laid at lots of feet, but just in general... how did this happen? It isn't just teh failed Pac-12 network, this has been a long slow train wreck. Can the conference recover? What would it take? I'm not sure the Pac12 was ever considered the strongest... UCLA but not the league as a whole. One of the strongest sure since 54 of 79 NCCA titles given out are in 4 conferences (current members)... current Pac12 teams 16... tied for first. BUT none this century, 1997 is the last. UCLA has 11 of the 16... or 22% of the combined titles of the ACC and Pac12 (16), SEC and Big10 (11). It's been a sad state of tourney failures or underachieving since 1998. Berths have declined with more auto berths, increased talent at mid major level, and the lack of prime time success. ACC... 8 of their 16 titles are in the 2000's. SEC... 3 in 2000's AAC... 3 Big 10... 2 Big East... 2 Big 12... 1 Information provided/caused by rain out! 🤔
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Post by mbabeav on Feb 21, 2019 10:57:58 GMT -8
There is a lot of NBA talent in the Pac-12 year in and year out. But I guess the coaches out here can't recruit those needed 1 and dones, where are our bagmen!?!
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Post by blastingsand on Feb 21, 2019 16:39:22 GMT -8
Agree. That is why the Pac gets their automatic, period. Not disagreeing... But, man, that's sad. Once upon a time the Pac-10/12 was the best MBB conference in all the land. My oh my how the mighty have fallen I am sure there is blame to be laid at lots of feet, but just in general... how did this happen? It isn't just teh failed Pac-12 network, this has been a long slow train wreck. Can the conference recover? What would it take? Seems to be happening all around as Pac football is as weak as ever as well... Good thing we took home the baseball!!!!!!!!
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Feb 24, 2019 16:01:32 GMT -8
Updated NET Rankings... OSU up to 78. UW: 29 ASU: 62 uo: 74 Colorado: 76 USC: 85 Arizona: 86 Stanford: 101 Utah: 102 UCLA: 109 WSU: 168 Cal: 279 Others of note: Kan. State: 28 A&M: 68 ODU: 75 Missouri: 91 Penn: 118 St. Louis: 121 Kent State: 137 Missouri St.: 159 Pepperdine: 175 Rest of OOC: 200+
2 wins this week probably put us in the 65-70 range depending on how convincing they are and how that affects our O/D efficiency and margin of victory ratings in the NET calculations. The big chance to move up is @uw, otherwise..... likely Pac-12 tourney or bust.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 24, 2019 20:57:17 GMT -8
Updated NET Rankings... OSU up to 78. UW: 29 ASU: 62 uo: 74 Colorado: 76 USC: 85 Arizona: 86 Stanford: 101 Utah: 102 UCLA: 109 WSU: 168 Cal: 279 Others of note: Kan. State: 28 A&M: 68 ODU: 75 Missouri: 91 Penn: 118 St. Louis: 121 Kent State: 137 Missouri St.: 159 Pepperdine: 175 Rest of OOC: 200+
2 wins this week probably put us in the 65-70 range depending on how convincing they are and how that affects our O/D efficiency and margin of victory ratings in the NET calculations. The big chance to move up is @uw, otherwise..... likely Pac-12 tourney or bust.
It should be kept in mind that this weekend is the first that Oregon State's Pac-12 schedule is more meaningful in the rankings than its dreadful non-conference schedule, which currently ranks in at 219th. Ken Pomeroy currently ranks Oregon State's full schedule as 93rd, which is pretty solid considering how badly the Beavers' non-conference opponents have tanked this year. I was reading that Oregon State's non-conference SOS is the third-lowest in the Pac-12. Only Colorado and Washington State played a softer non-conference schedule. I would also like to note that Oregon State's non-conference rankings have improved recently. Although, I cannot say with any certainty why that would be, I would note two things. First A&M beat both Alabama and Arkansas in the past five days, which has pushed the Aggies up 18 spots in NET. And second, Old Dominion is also on a six-game winning streak and is now 22-6. Old Dominion beat Western Kentucky, which was sitting in second place in Conference USA. With the win, the Monarchs are 2 1/2 games up on the field in Conference USA and can clinch the regular season crown by winning one of their final three games. More importantly for Oregon State, with the win, Old Dominion is up six spots in NET. 22-11 or bust. Absent a lot more help from Oregon State's non-conference opponents, it still looks like the Beavers' magic number is five. Either the Beavers need to sweep out the rest of the regular season and then win at least win one Pac-12 Tournament game or go at least 3-1 and win go to the Pac-12 Championship Game. There should be a conference amplification coming up in the metrics, which should generally help Oregon State as long as the Beavers win more than they lose. However, because the Pac-12 is so down, it will probably help Oregon State less than in years past.
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Post by ag87 on Feb 25, 2019 7:42:18 GMT -8
Missouri State has road wins at Evansville and Loyola in the last 2 weeks. I'm sure that has bumped them up some. Kent and Pepperdine are playing like they have all season.
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Post by beaverinohio on Feb 25, 2019 8:13:53 GMT -8
Not about NET, but couldn't find a better place to post this. Over the weekend I saw someone's attempt to project the NIT field. I can't remember where I saw it or who did it, so take it with a grain of salt. They had the Beavers as a 3 seed, and 5 total from PAC-12 in the field. I believe they made the assumption ASU would get into the Big Dance, because they weren't in the projected NIT field.
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