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Post by beaverwbb fan on Feb 5, 2019 18:23:13 GMT -8
Different situations. First off, Ionescu would never be benched in a close game situation like that. They lack depth and, like her or not, she is too good. Second, there is a big difference between cheering teammates on in a 30+ point blow out when subs are playing garbage time versus a close game when I’m sure Destiny would have preferred to be on the court. Third, we have seen Ionescu pout many, many times when she is taken out of the game.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 5, 2019 18:33:56 GMT -8
Actually... cheering your teammates is cheering your teammates... no matter what the score.
The "hater" mentality is more than ridiculous. I is statistically one of the best women's players in college basketball history. Some need to get over it.
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 5, 2019 18:55:34 GMT -8
Ion is a really good bballer. But great players with a really good team win NC's, and she hasn't done that yet. She might, but she hasn't yet. And I know it's not popular around here, but if it isn't the Beav's I hope they do win it.
But the whole triple double thing is kinda bogus. When you get a triple double of 12/10/10, it's kinda bogus. When she gets a triple with the coaches yelling in to her during a game "Grab all the rebounds" (which Ion said herself on a national broadcast) then that's bogus. It just leaves a bad taste of how many are real and how many were manufactured.
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 5, 2019 19:45:32 GMT -8
Ion is a really good bballer. But great players with a really good team win NC's, and she hasn't done that yet. She might, but she hasn't yet. And I know it's not popular around here, but if it isn't the Beav's I hope they do win it. But the whole triple double thing is kinda bogus. When you get a triple double of 12/10/10, it's kinda bogus. When she gets a triple with the coaches yelling in to her during a game "Grab all the rebounds" (which Ion said herself on a national broadcast) then that's bogus. It just leaves a bad taste of how many are real and how many were manufactured. "KINDA bogus"?? It's bogus to the tenth power. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 5, 2019 21:02:10 GMT -8
Ion is a really good bballer. But great players with a really good team win NC's, and she hasn't done that yet. She might, but she hasn't yet. And I know it's not popular around here, but if it isn't the Beav's I hope they do win it. But the whole triple double thing is kinda bogus. When you get a triple double of 12/10/10, it's kinda bogus. When she gets a triple with the coaches yelling in to her during a game "Grab all the rebounds" (which Ion said herself on a national broadcast) then that's bogus. It just leaves a bad taste of how many are real and how many were manufactured. Lmao... might represent two of the most ridiculous, unknowledgeable posts ever. Many many great players on great teams don't win a NC... EVERY YEAR! Under your premise there is only one great team with great players each year?! And, triple doubles are just manufactured? Holy cow... so as a player passes a ball their teammate is assured a hoop? Other players, both teams, must stop and allow one player to get at least 10 boards? Of course if she's having an off game referees get her to the line to assure those 10 points. And, of course no other coach or player has thought of such "manufacturing" or the triple double stat would be common place! Wow... over the top, dumb arse, "beaverdom" to the extreme. Embarrassing you the rest of us! |
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 5, 2019 21:29:55 GMT -8
Hmm, maybe we have different definitions of great. I'm not talking about the top 5 players each year. I'm talking about the once in 5-10 years kind of player. Can you list any that did not win a NC?
Tinkle in a presser after Kelley almost got a triple double "I'm not putting him back in the game just so he could get that!" Which I suspect was a cut at a certain team to the south.
And did I say they were just manufactured? I said they are tarnished by her admission that the coaches urged her to get the triple. In a total blow out game it's not impossible to arrange extra rebounds, assists, and points until she gets her totals. Do I think that's anywhere close to the majority of them? No. Do I think that some of them could be? Yes.
"Embarrassing you the rest of us!" Sorry to have embarrassed you Trollmaster Yoda.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 5, 2019 22:18:37 GMT -8
Hmm, maybe we have different definitions of great. I'm not talking about the top 5 players each year. I'm talking about the once in 5-10 years kind of player. Can you list any that did not win a NC? Tinkle in a presser after Kelley almost got a triple double "I'm not putting him back in the game just so he could get that!" Which I suspect was a cut at a certain team to the south. And did I say they were just manufactured? I said they are tarnished by her admission that the coaches urged her to get the triple. In a total blow out game it's not impossible to arrange extra rebounds, assists, and points until she gets her totals. Do I think that's anywhere close to the majority of them? No. Do I think that some of them could be? Yes. "Embarrassing you the rest of us!" Sorry to have embarrassed you Trollmaster Yoda. Yes... keep changing the target. So... the "once every 5-10 years"... then becomes another definition? Ok... the list of such in college (and NBA) would be too long to list... do these count? '90-91 UNLV... Larry Johnson plus two other lottery picks in the era of really good college ball. '14-15 Kentucky... Carl Anthony Towns '84-85 St John's... Chris Mullen *won previously, but Patrick and Georgetown didn't win this year either. Patrick must have not been great. '98-99 Duke... Elton Brand '97-98 NC... Vince Carter and Antwan Jamison '92-93 Michigan... Fab Five... Cazzie Russell never won one st Michigan either. Hmmm... or Jerry West, or Wilt... or... list goes on and on... but, of course definitions are ever changing! Embarrassing stands as stated. |
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 5, 2019 23:02:19 GMT -8
I keep changing the target? I'll assume you decided to switch to men instead of women because you couldn't find anyone.
"Carl Anthony Towns"? Had to look him up to even know who he is. Third team all american is a 5-10 year great?? Wow....just wow.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 5, 2019 23:49:35 GMT -8
I keep changing the target? I'll assume you decided to switch to men instead of women because you couldn't find anyone. "Carl Anthony Towns"? Had to look him up to even know who he is. Third team all american is a 5-10 year great?? Wow....just wow. You stated "player"... ok so now its just women who are not great (once in every 5-10 year... whatever random BS that is) if their team doesn't win a NC? Oh... cuz its on the Bernice site greatness is sex specific. Lol. The list is just as long... some: Dawn Staley of Virginia came to mind first, Lynette Woodward is old school, Teresa Edwards and Katrina McClain/Georgia, Katie Smith tOSU, Jackie Stiles/SW Mizz, Elena Delle Donne/Delaware, Seimone Augustus/LSU, Alana Beard/Duke. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 6, 2019 6:24:51 GMT -8
Hmm, maybe we have different definitions of great. I'm not talking about the top 5 players each year. I'm talking about the once in 5-10 years kind of player. Can you list any that did not win a NC? Tinkle in a presser after Kelley almost got a triple double "I'm not putting him back in the game just so he could get that!" Which I suspect was a cut at a certain team to the south. And did I say they were just manufactured? I said they are tarnished by her admission that the coaches urged her to get the triple. In a total blow out game it's not impossible to arrange extra rebounds, assists, and points until she gets her totals. Do I think that's anywhere close to the majority of them? No. Do I think that some of them could be? Yes. "Embarrassing you the rest of us!" Sorry to have embarrassed you Trollmaster Yoda. I hate to use my 1 agreement with baseballs so early in the month, but your whole argument comes across as petty jealousy. She is a great player that would be revered if she was a Beav. And why I hate ucks with a passion, their Women’s basketball team is pretty low on the list. Their girls do not inspire the hatred that some of their men’s coaches and players provide. Also, your argument must mean Steph Curry, Larry Bird, Charles Barkley, James Harden and our own Gary Payton are not great players. |
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Post by beavs6 on Feb 6, 2019 8:56:33 GMT -8
Ion is a really good bballer. But great players with a really good team win NC's, and she hasn't done that yet. She might, but she hasn't yet. And I know it's not popular around here, but if it isn't the Beav's I hope they do win it. But the whole triple double thing is kinda bogus. When you get a triple double of 12/10/10, it's kinda bogus. When she gets a triple with the coaches yelling in to her during a game "Grab all the rebounds" (which Ion said herself on a national broadcast) then that's bogus. It just leaves a bad taste of how many are real and how many were manufactured. Lmao... might represent two of the most ridiculous, unknowledgeable posts ever. Many many great players on great teams don't win a NC... EVERY YEAR! Under your premise there is only one great team with great players each year?! And, triple doubles are just manufactured? Holy cow... so as a player passes a ball their teammate is assured a hoop? Other players, both teams, must stop and allow one player to get at least 10 boards? Of course if she's having an off game referees get her to the line to assure those 10 points. And, of course no other coach or player has thought of such "manufacturing" or the triple double stat would be common place! Wow... over the top, dumb arse, "beaverdom" to the extreme. Embarrassing you the rest of us! I assure you there is only 1111(see what I did there) poster here "Embarrassing you the rest of us!" on a consistent basis. Maybe try posting less after drinking. Or not. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 6, 2019 11:09:12 GMT -8
She is an outstanding player.
But there is no question she has often been kept on the floor in 30- or 40-point blowouts well into the fourth quarter, when their other starters are on the bench, simply to achieve this statistical milestone.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 6, 2019 11:35:20 GMT -8
She is an outstanding player. But there is no question she has often been kept on the floor in 30- or 40-point blowouts well into the fourth quarter, when their other starters are on the bench, simply to achieve this statistical milestone. I'm not going to defend Graves, but OSU has starters on the floor in blow outs also... in almost every season of SR's tenure. The roster is never a full 15 and just doesn't allow for everyone to sit while still running semblance of a system. Graves has even less players to sub. In both cases I think it is by design. Full rosters are more difficult to keep "happy" and fully develop everyone. "I" is only averaged about 34min/g (5th in the league... 18 players are averaging 32+ min/g) and that's not outrageous in any fashion for the best player on a team. I could see if she was a ball hog scoring 35pt/g, but she's averaging 8.4 assists leading the league, and up from last year in basically the same minutes. She's also 3rd in A/TO at 3.2. Mik averages about HALF those numbers in 2.4 min/game less on a deeper team... The 'hate' as mentioned earlier is petty. As a coaching mentor once told me, "... disparaging opponents serves no purpose other than to build the ego of those who don't believe in their own abilities, and says more about the speaker than the opponent." |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 6, 2019 14:02:58 GMT -8
I'm not disparaging her at all (if you were alluding to me, not sure). She's a fantastic player.
But she has played the most minutes of any starter in all of their blowouts except one, and that has obviously inflated her stats somewhat. And I get someone has to play to run a system, but Corzola is their de facto PG.
Oregon has nine wins by 30 or more points. She's averaged 32 minutes in those games and recently played 33 minutes in a 40-point win over WSU, 35 minutes in a 40-point win over USC and 35 minutes in a 33-point win over Arizona.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 6, 2019 15:47:49 GMT -8
I'm not disparaging her at all (if you were alluding to me, not sure). She's a fantastic player. But she has played the most minutes of any starter in all of their blowouts except one, and that has obviously inflated her stats somewhat. And I get someone has to play to run a system, but Corzola is their de facto PG. Oregon has nine wins by 30 or more points. She's averaged 32 minutes in those games and recently played 33 minutes in a 40-point win over WSU, 35 minutes in a 40-point win over USC and 35 minutes in a 33-point win over Arizona. Not pointing fingers... But, that 32 min average in blowouts is 2.5+ min less than her average/game. Which means she's closer to 36 min in "closer" games... 4 min less than those 30 pt wins. Bottom line Graves basically has two to run the show and they both play extra unneeded minutes. |
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