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Post by messi on Jan 24, 2019 21:41:10 GMT -8
83-67 OSU with 3:40 left
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Post by messi on Jan 24, 2019 21:53:19 GMT -8
90-77 Beavers win
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Post by steinlager on Jan 24, 2019 22:41:56 GMT -8
Solid games from the Thompsons and Tres who particularly seemed to let the game come to him without trying to do too much. One of his better games. WSU couldn't sustain their hot shooting once they closed the gap to nine and Beavs coasted to the win down the stretch. Hopefully ZR can hit some shots Saturday because he is going to get some looks against their zone.
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 25, 2019 7:37:37 GMT -8
Hard to find much fault with that game. The big 3 all came to play. Stevie and Ethan had a good amount of assists. WSU made too high of a percentage shooting, and the Beavs will need to do better against the Huskies to get the victory. A couple of nitpicks: I don't recall seeing Vernon and the two Thompsons all in at the same time as much as last night -- and it didn't really like the look. Seems like Vernon spends too much time standing around with the other two dominating the ball, which I don't think plays to Vernon's strengths. The lineup might have been because of match ups or more likely Reichle's bad shooting night, but I just didn't think it was very effective. Also, I would have liked to see Hollins switched to Elleby when he got hot. And I hope to see Hollins on Nowell to see if his length can bother him. But all in all a good win. Now just clean up the defense and get a victory against Washington on Saturday.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 25, 2019 8:38:22 GMT -8
I don't know about everyone else but I enjoyed the W.
Beat the Fuskies!
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 25, 2019 8:58:34 GMT -8
Solid games from the Thompsons and Tres who particularly seemed to let the game come to him without trying to do too much. One of his better games. WSU couldn't sustain their hot shooting once they closed the gap to nine and Beavs coasted to the win down the stretch. Hopefully ZR can hit some shots Saturday because he is going to get some looks against their zone. Agree that ZR will get looks against UW zone. If I was them, I'd ignore him completely. ZR went 0-6 in 14 minutes v WSU. I didn't catch the whole game but I did see him get some very good looks from the 3. I thought his strength was supposed to be outside shooting? On the year he's 33% from the field, 35.7% from 3 ball range. Not good. He's a minus defender in most match ups. Averages ~19 minutes a game. So what's his upside? Good free throw shooter that doesn't get to the line much. Leadership? Scrappiness? Time to give the bulk of ZR's minutes to Vernon, IMHO. The future is now.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 25, 2019 9:12:11 GMT -8
Solid games from the Thompsons and Tres who particularly seemed to let the game come to him without trying to do too much. One of his better games. WSU couldn't sustain their hot shooting once they closed the gap to nine and Beavs coasted to the win down the stretch. Hopefully ZR can hit some shots Saturday because he is going to get some looks against their zone. Agree that ZR will get looks against UW zone. If I was them, I'd ignore him completely. ZR went 0-6 in 14 minutes v WSU. I didn't catch the whole game but I did see him get some very good looks from the 3. I thought his strength was supposed to be outside shooting? On the year he's 33% from the field, 35.7% from 3 ball range. Not good. He's a minus defender in most match ups. Averages ~19 minutes a game. So what's his upside? Good free throw shooter that doesn't get to the line much. Leadership? Scrappiness? Time to give the bulk of ZR's minutes to Vernon, IMHO. The future is now. That's a little difficult when they don't play the same position. ZR is usually coming in for Hollins at the 3. If you bring Vernon in, that is going to make us very small. That was done last night and it was not particularly effective with Vernon and both Thompsons in. However, it could be done last night due to the lack of size from WSU. Also, before going 0-4 last night, ZR was close to 40% from 3, which was tops on the team. He just had a bad shooting night. He's also scrappy and a good hustle player. He is not a great defender, but he is definitely not the worst we have. The problems that he has on D are usually due to the fact that he is playing the 3 and sometimes he is undersized on his man.
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 25, 2019 10:24:30 GMT -8
Agree that ZR will get looks against UW zone. If I was them, I'd ignore him completely. ZR went 0-6 in 14 minutes v WSU. I didn't catch the whole game but I did see him get some very good looks from the 3. I thought his strength was supposed to be outside shooting? On the year he's 33% from the field, 35.7% from 3 ball range. Not good. He's a minus defender in most match ups. Averages ~19 minutes a game. So what's his upside? Good free throw shooter that doesn't get to the line much. Leadership? Scrappiness? Time to give the bulk of ZR's minutes to Vernon, IMHO. The future is now. That's a little difficult when they don't play the same position. ZR is usually coming in for Hollins at the 3. If you bring Vernon in, that is going to make us very small. That was done last night and it was not particularly effective with Vernon and both Thompsons in. However, it could be done last night due to the lack of size from WSU. Also, before going 0-4 last night, ZR was close to 40% from 3, which was tops on the team. He just had a bad shooting night. He's also scrappy and a good hustle player. He is not a great defender, but he is definitely not the worst we have. The problems that he has on D are usually due to the fact that he is playing the 3 and sometimes he is undersized on his man. The fact that ZR is a 3 is the whole problem. He's a tweener that adds little value when he can't hit wide open shots. So give more minutes to Hollins. Rotate one of the Thompson Twins to the 3 for a bit and put Vernon at the 1. "Scrappy" and "hustle player" are code for something else I think. Does he "pack his lunch box"? All of our players scrap and hustle.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 25, 2019 10:41:17 GMT -8
That's a little difficult when they don't play the same position. ZR is usually coming in for Hollins at the 3. If you bring Vernon in, that is going to make us very small. That was done last night and it was not particularly effective with Vernon and both Thompsons in. However, it could be done last night due to the lack of size from WSU. Also, before going 0-4 last night, ZR was close to 40% from 3, which was tops on the team. He just had a bad shooting night. He's also scrappy and a good hustle player. He is not a great defender, but he is definitely not the worst we have. The problems that he has on D are usually due to the fact that he is playing the 3 and sometimes he is undersized on his man. The fact that ZR is a 3 is the whole problem. He's a tweener that adds little value when he can't hit wide open shots. So give more minutes to Hollins. Rotate one of the Thompson Twins to the 3 for a bit and put Vernon at the 1. "Scrappy" and "hustle player" are code for something else I think. Does he "pack his lunch box"? All of our players scrap and hustle. Agree or disagree, but ZR was a recruiting mistake. He's a great kid. Works his tail off. Was a great 5A player. He's got moxy, hit some big shots in some key spots as shooters will do. But, he's not a D1 player, especially on D end. Shooters can have some value, small, slow afoot, and one dimensional is not a great fit. And, when this team really needed more out of every recruit. He's what "we've" got, so hopefully he'll hit some "Sherwood" type shots before all is said and done.
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Post by beavs6 on Jan 25, 2019 11:06:41 GMT -8
If ZR is going to have an "off" night shooting...and then hopefully a "hot" night shooting to keep his % for the year...this is the way to do it. Be cold as the mid-west vs wsu and as hot as, well, HOT against uw. We can hope.
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 25, 2019 11:33:15 GMT -8
The fact that ZR is a 3 is the whole problem. He's a tweener that adds little value when he can't hit wide open shots. So give more minutes to Hollins. Rotate one of the Thompson Twins to the 3 for a bit and put Vernon at the 1. "Scrappy" and "hustle player" are code for something else I think. Does he "pack his lunch box"? All of our players scrap and hustle. Agree or disagree, but ZR was a recruiting mistake. He's a great kid. Works his tail off. Was a great 5A player. He's got moxy, hit some big shots in some key spots as shooters will do. But, he's not a D1 player, especially on D end. Shooters can have some value, small, slow afoot, and one dimensional is not a great fit. And, when this team really needed more out of every recruit. He's what "we've" got, so hopefully he'll hit some "Sherwood" type shots before all is said and done. I'll disagree. Not a mistake to recruit...I love the homegrown guys, they add to team spirit and character. Mistake to get so much playing time at his level of play this year. Prove me wrong Zach! Beaver Nation is rooting for you!
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 25, 2019 11:54:30 GMT -8
Agree or disagree, but ZR was a recruiting mistake. He's a great kid. Works his tail off. Was a great 5A player. He's got moxy, hit some big shots in some key spots as shooters will do. But, he's not a D1 player, especially on D end. Shooters can have some value, small, slow afoot, and one dimensional is not a great fit. And, when this team really needed more out of every recruit. He's what "we've" got, so hopefully he'll hit some "Sherwood" type shots before all is said and done. I'll disagree. Not a mistake to recruit...I love the homegrown guys, they add to team spirit and character. Mistake to get so much playing time at his level of play this year. Prove me wrong Zach! Beaver Nation is rooting for you! I agree. good strategic move to offer some local talent to keep eyes on you as long as the player at least can somewhat hold his own. Minutes to ineffectual players is a problem though. I agree he isn't the "worst" defender, but the match up problems he is going to face against most teams is the issue. being a 2-3 tweener guy is a bit tough.
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 25, 2019 12:20:43 GMT -8
Agree or disagree, but ZR was a recruiting mistake. He's a great kid. Works his tail off. Was a great 5A player. He's got moxy, hit some big shots in some key spots as shooters will do. But, he's not a D1 player, especially on D end. Shooters can have some value, small, slow afoot, and one dimensional is not a great fit. And, when this team really needed more out of every recruit. He's what "we've" got, so hopefully he'll hit some "Sherwood" type shots before all is said and done. I'll disagree. Not a mistake to recruit...I love the homegrown guys, they add to team spirit and character. Mistake to get so much playing time at his level of play this year. Prove me wrong Zach! Beaver Nation is rooting for you! I agree and disagree. I think he is a D1 player and can have a role on a team at this level as a shooter. And I think having home grown players is good for the program. However, the Beavers currently can't afford the luxury of having a designated shooter. Ideally, at least at this point in his career, he'd be playing 3-5 minutes per half and average about 8 mpg similar to last year. At the nearly 19 minutes a game he is currently averaging his weaknesses are too easily exploited by opponents. So at this point in his career and with the current roster and needs, he certainly could be considered a "recruiting mistake." But I wouldn't be surprised if down the line he is a valuable piece to the puzzle.
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Post by mbabeav on Jan 25, 2019 12:27:36 GMT -8
A couple of kudos - the experiment with running the small lineup was needed; other squads are going to test us and Vernon needs more time on the court anyway.
and I thought ZR gave a stepped-up effort in general; needs more clean looks - his efforts were usually heavily contested. But he, Stevie and the rest of the team put in a big effort to be in position for the long rebounds off the 3's that Wazzu threw up, especially in the first half.
Beavs also did a great job in the 2nd half facing down the one-two punch that came out as hot as a pistol - finally they started to get desperate and lost their focus a bit. Almost every team has a run in them when they are down big in the 2nd half and only being able to get within 9 meant the cougs were facing a much better team.
Go Beavs, beat the fuskies!
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 25, 2019 13:29:58 GMT -8
Also ZR is a decent ballhandler and can be effective in breaking down the full court press.
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