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Post by sagebrush on Jan 20, 2019 13:41:58 GMT -8
Goff ain’t done squat. There is no tomorrow with a loss. One minute to go in the first and the Lamb’s longest play was the Hekker completion on the fake. Hell, forget Mannion, put in Hekker.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 14:12:23 GMT -8
Goff ain’t done squat. There is no tomorrow with a loss. One minute to go in the first and the Lamb’s longest play was the Hekker completion on the fake. Hell, forget Mannion, put in Hekker. Mannion's headset isn't going to work any better against the Saints frequency barrage. Dont put anything past Sean Payton. This is the guy who ok'd bounties on opposing players. Not cool Sean.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Jan 20, 2019 14:32:54 GMT -8
SP is a PoS!!
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Post by sagebrush on Jan 20, 2019 15:26:38 GMT -8
Hekker for MVP. Converted the huge fake punt. Then, corrals the snap of the ground and gets the ball spotted on time and in rhythm for the game winning FG. Two great special teams plays.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Jan 21, 2019 11:25:29 GMT -8
Goff ain’t done squat. There is no tomorrow with a loss. One minute to go in the first and the Lamb’s longest play was the Hekker completion on the fake. Hell, forget Mannion, put in Hekker. Mannion's headset isn't going to work any better against the Saints frequency barrage. Dont put anything past Sean Payton. This is the guy who ok'd bounties on opposing players. Not cool Sean. Knock knock
Payton: "who dat"
KARMA!!! biotch
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 21, 2019 13:03:28 GMT -8
Hekker for MVP. Converted the huge fake punt. Then, corrals the snap of the ground and gets the ball spotted on time and in rhythm for the game winning FG. Two great special teams plays. HEKKERITES, REJOICE!
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 21, 2019 13:12:17 GMT -8
Hekker for MVP. Converted the huge fake punt. Then, corrals the snap of the ground and gets the ball spotted on time and in rhythm for the game winning FG. Two great special teams plays. HEKKERITES, REJOICE! Huh? The debate was college, not pro stuff.
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 21, 2019 15:20:59 GMT -8
Huh? The debate was college, not pro stuff.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 21, 2019 15:47:43 GMT -8
Huh? The debate was college, not pro stuff. I don't think that OA wanted to wallow back into it. But I think the debate fell apart on the argument that Allen's debatable superiority in 2011 negated the previous three years of Hekker's unquestionable superiority. Or somehow negated the seven subsequent years of Hekker's unquestionable superiority, which everyone trying to argue that Allen was a superior punter in the 2008-2011 time period likes to discount, because it makes their argument better or, at least, easier to make. I personally think that my argument that Hekker has been a superior punter than Allen since 2008 and that has never changed is riddled with fewer logical fallacies but to each their own. Allen unquestionably punted for more yards at generally higher elevation and in generally better weather in 2011. He generally played weaker competition, which resulted in fewer punts from the shadows of his own goalposts. It limited return yards. It resulted in a generally weaker punt rush, which gave him more time to punt and resulted in fewer rushed punts. For this, he was given the Ray Guy Award. At the time of the Ray Guy Semifinalist cut (between the California and Stanford games), Hekker had punted 36 times for 1,597 yards, a 44.4 yards/punt average. 13 of Hekker's 36 punts (36%) went for 50+ yards. 14 (39%) were downed inside the 20. If you exclude the -4 punt against Wisconsin, he punted 35 times for 1,601 yards, a 45.7 yards/punt average. At the time of the Ray Guy Semifinalist cut, Auburn's Steven Clark punted 55 times for 2,205, a 40.1 yards/punt average. 9 of Clark's 55 punts (16%) went for 50+ yards. 13 (24%) were downed inside the 20. And yet, Clark is a semifinalist and Hekker is not. If you are going to pin your argument on Ray Guy Awards, please explain. Ryan Allen was a great guy, a phenomenal athlete from the State of Oregon. He had two great years of punting in Ruston, Louisiana. If you look at the 2008-2011 time period or the 2008-2012 time period or the 2008-2019 time period, however, Hekker is the better punter. If D.J. Alexander (who has since been named to the Pro Bowl as a special teams specialist) had not whiffed on a tackle that he makes 99 times out of 100, I do not think that there would even be a question that Hekker was the better punter in college, the NFL, you name it. But here we are.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Jan 21, 2019 15:48:44 GMT -8
Is it too soon to start a thread about the best punter in this years SB?
Go Beavs!!
(edit) I guess not...........and here we go...
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 21, 2019 15:52:05 GMT -8
Huh? The debate was college, not pro stuff. I don't think that OA wanted to wallow back into it. But I think the debate fell apart on the argument that Allen's debatable superiority in 2011 negated the previous three years of Hekker's unquestionable superiority. Or somehow negated the seven subsequent years of Hekker's unquestionable superiority, which everyone trying to argue that Allen was a superior punter in the 2008-2011 time period likes to discount, because it makes their argument better or, at least, easier to make. I personally think that my argument that Hekker has been a superior punter than Allen since 2008 and that has never changed is riddled with fewer logical fallacies but to each their own. Allen unquestionably punted for more yards at generally higher elevation and in generally better weather in 2011. He generally played weaker competition, which resulted in fewer punts from the shadows of his own goalposts. It limited return yards. It resulted in a generally weaker punt rush, which gave him more time to punt and resulted in fewer rushed punts. For this, he was given the Ray Guy Award. At the time of the Ray Guy Semifinalist cut (between the California and Stanford games), Hekker had punted 36 times for 1,597 yards, a 44.4 yards/punt average. 13 of Hekker's 36 punts (36%) went for 50+ yards. 14 (39%) were downed inside the 20. If you exclude the -4 punt against Wisconsin, he punted 35 times for 1,601 yards, a 45.7 yards/punt average. At the time of the Ray Guy Semifinalist cut, Auburn's Steven Clark punted 55 times for 2,205, a 40.1 yards/punt average. 9 of Clark's 55 punts (16%) went for 50+ yards. 13 (24%) were downed inside the 20. And yet, Clark is a semifinalist and Hekker is not. If you are going to pin your argument on Ray Guy Awards, please explain. Ryan Allen was a great guy, a phenomenal athlete from the State of Oregon. He had two great years of punting in Ruston, Louisiana. If you look at the 2008-2011 time period or the 2008-2012 time period or the 2008-2019 time period, however, Hekker is the better punter. If D.J. Alexander (who has since been named to the Pro Bowl as a special teams specialist) had not whiffed on tackle that he makes 99 times out of 100, I do not think that there would even be a question that Hekker was the better punter in college, the NFL, you name it. But here we are. oh. That. I never took part in that debate in the first place - the whole Hekkerites thing is from @beav83 's brilliant red hair photoshop Dear Leader comments that once drew ESPN's Ted Miller's attention.
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 22, 2019 10:50:45 GMT -8
I don't think that OA wanted to wallow back into it. But I think the debate fell apart on the argument that Allen's debatable superiority in 2011 negated the previous three years of Hekker's unquestionable superiority. Or somehow negated the seven subsequent years of Hekker's unquestionable superiority, which everyone trying to argue that Allen was a superior punter in the 2008-2011 time period likes to discount, because it makes their argument better or, at least, easier to make. I personally think that my argument that Hekker has been a superior punter than Allen since 2008 and that has never changed is riddled with fewer logical fallacies but to each their own. Allen unquestionably punted for more yards at generally higher elevation and in generally better weather in 2011. He generally played weaker competition, which resulted in fewer punts from the shadows of his own goalposts. It limited return yards. It resulted in a generally weaker punt rush, which gave him more time to punt and resulted in fewer rushed punts. For this, he was given the Ray Guy Award. At the time of the Ray Guy Semifinalist cut (between the California and Stanford games), Hekker had punted 36 times for 1,597 yards, a 44.4 yards/punt average. 13 of Hekker's 36 punts (36%) went for 50+ yards. 14 (39%) were downed inside the 20. If you exclude the -4 punt against Wisconsin, he punted 35 times for 1,601 yards, a 45.7 yards/punt average. At the time of the Ray Guy Semifinalist cut, Auburn's Steven Clark punted 55 times for 2,205, a 40.1 yards/punt average. 9 of Clark's 55 punts (16%) went for 50+ yards. 13 (24%) were downed inside the 20. And yet, Clark is a semifinalist and Hekker is not. If you are going to pin your argument on Ray Guy Awards, please explain. Ryan Allen was a great guy, a phenomenal athlete from the State of Oregon. He had two great years of punting in Ruston, Louisiana. If you look at the 2008-2011 time period or the 2008-2012 time period or the 2008-2019 time period, however, Hekker is the better punter. If D.J. Alexander (who has since been named to the Pro Bowl as a special teams specialist) had not whiffed on tackle that he makes 99 times out of 100, I do not think that there would even be a question that Hekker was the better punter in college, the NFL, you name it. But here we are. oh. That. I never took part in that debate in the first place - the whole Hekkerites thing is from @beav83 's brilliant red hair photoshop Dear Leader comments that once drew ESPN's Ted Miller's attention. So shameless self-promotion on your part that whooooshed me, while my comment was meant to dredge up the Allen v Hekker debate.
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 22, 2019 13:41:26 GMT -8
oh. That. I never took part in that debate in the first place - the whole Hekkerites thing is from @beav83 's brilliant red hair photoshop Dear Leader comments that once drew ESPN's Ted Miller's attention. So shameless self-promotion on your part that whooooshed me, while my comment was meant to dredge up the Allen v Hekker debate. Eh.. I had a small part in the DearLeader schtick but all the brilliance came out of the other 2 guys behind the curtain. My intent was less to shamelessly self-promote and more to pay tribute to one of the funniest (in my opinion) memes to come out of our history. The entire Hekker nonsense was 100% Beav83, credit where credit is due. When he photoshopped the carrot top hair on Ted Miller (and then Ted picked it up in his column!!), I nearly died laughing.
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 22, 2019 14:10:02 GMT -8
So shameless self-promotion on your part that whooooshed me, while my comment was meant to dredge up the Allen v Hekker debate. Eh.. I had a small part in the DearLeader schtick but all the brilliance came out of the other 2 guys behind the curtain. My intent was less to shamelessly self-promote and more to pay tribute to one of the funniest (in my opinion) memes to come out of our history. The entire Hekker nonsense was 100% Beav83, credit where credit is due. When he photoshopped the carrot top hair on Ted Miller (and then Ted picked it up in his column!!), I nearly died laughing. We could use some humor around here. All we have is @blowcheese and he's only funny 10% of the time. Where's beav83?
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Post by ee1990 on Jan 22, 2019 17:53:37 GMT -8
This thread
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