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Post by beavsinorange on Jan 5, 2019 22:26:27 GMT -8
I don't care who was playing for the Ducks or not. That's still an impressive win. Hats off to Tinkle and his staff, and most importantly to the players that worked their tails off. Now let's film Gill this week!!! Go Beavs
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Post by beaverbeliever on Jan 5, 2019 22:42:10 GMT -8
Given how badly we've struggled on the road (for decades) - to go into our arch rival's building, lose all momentum, fall behind late - and STILL find a way to come out on top makes this a fantastic win. Any road win in conference is a great one. Gutty performance in the last 4 minutes - Go Beavs!
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jan 6, 2019 2:25:29 GMT -8
I am soooo conflicted ("it was the best of times, it was the worst of times...."). I am thrilled we won. Haven't won a Pac-12 road opener since 1990-something. We beat the hated rival 'ucks and their scumbag ethically challenged coach in their house. We can lord over otherwise mostly decent uo fans with a W, not just with the fact that they are complicit in selling their souls hiring sketch coaches for wins..... As pointed out, we got up big, got down, and recovered. And 1-0 looks pretty, even if the game turned almost as ugly as that Boise State-ish floor it was played on.
But that 2nd half is what causes conflict......are you kidding me? We were so bad at dealing with the press that even drug-addled Bill Walton (whose commentary I mostly enjoyed for once) could notice we would throw it into the cornered, double teamed teammate who would then throw it backwards (when we got it in at all [here's looking at you, senior]).....ugh, it's too painful to recount. Surprised we were unable to prep for this, compensate for this in game, call a TO and set up a play for this. Players execute, but coaches coach....so which broke down here? (and I fear the answer is "a bit of both").
I am thrilled we won. Will be even more thrilled if the next time we see the press (next game, I am sure) we are able to punish the opponent......Can we learn from this game? Will also be curious to see how this 'uck team fares the rest of the Pac-12 season.
While painful to watch, I can just imagine what it would feel like to have the L right now.....like the 'ucks. OK, now I feel better. The right team won, even if they won Ugly. And coach Altman - you might win the rat race, but you will still be a rat.....
Go Beavers!
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Post by bill82 on Jan 6, 2019 5:19:22 GMT -8
A Beaver fan can believe all of these. They are not mutually exclusive:
Tinkle cannot effectively coach this group of players Tinkle may find a combination of players in the future that he can form into a team and be successful A top four finish in the league this year may not be a measure of Tinkle's coaching abilities I'd like another coach but we cannot afford to cut Tinkle with the buyout and coach-player conundrum I'm rooting for the Beaver's to win as many games as possible I cannot stand watching this team play We can place in the top four of the league this year The league this year is the equivalent of a mid-major conference A poster can call for Tinkle to be fired even during a game we win
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 8:23:38 GMT -8
A Beaver fan can believe all of these. They are not mutually exclusive: Tinkle cannot effectively coach this group of players Tinkle may find a combination of players in the future that he can form into a team and be successful A top four finish in the league this year may not be a measure of Tinkle's coaching abilities I'd like another coach but we cannot afford to cut Tinkle with the buyout and coach-player conundrum I'm rooting for the Beaver's to win as many games as possible I cannot stand watching this team play We can place in the top four of the league this year The league this year is the equivalent of a mid-major conference A poster can call for Tinkle to be fired even during a game we win Interesting paradoxes, all. What gets me is to see a team that can play cohesive help D, get team rebounds by blocking out, execute pick and rolls, and run the break like they know what they are doing UTTERLY PANICS AGAINST A FULL COURT PRESS. the 15 point lead wasn't an accident or just lucky shooting. That was some heady, and I presume well coached basketball. So why then go to pieces, again, against pressure? Players and coaches, complete deer in the headlights. Experienced players, veteran coaches. If Altman doesn't call off the press in the last minute, I dont know the beavs ever get the ball up court. That was the point at which Vernon came in the game by the way.
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Post by beavs6 on Jan 6, 2019 8:35:18 GMT -8
Good win Beavs!
An article on ESPN talks about how hard it is for any team to win on the road once conference play starts. I think it said 4 of15 ranked teams lost on the road yesterday. Every one of them would like to add an ugly win to their record instead of an L. Again
Good win Beavs!
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Post by jrbeavo on Jan 6, 2019 10:04:23 GMT -8
There are numerous ways to break a press, but I got the sense that we were just as concerned with simply getting the ball inbounds. Ideally, you want a tall, capable passer to receive inbounds pass somewhere in the middle of the court where it opens up options. We were flashing guys to the corners where it is admittedly easiest to get the ball in and avoid the 5 second, but the players momentum is going away from the front court and that turnaround time makes them easy to trap. If you have to resort to that, get rid of it immediately.
Ideally, you get the ball to a tall in the middle...two wings break for a quick pass, with a man in front court presenting in the middle as first safety, and a trailer/ballhandler as second safety. You can also set cross screens by the basket and try to get it to someone with some momentum going forward which limits the ability to trap. We didn't seem to do any of this. It is always easiest and most effective to break press with quick passes and not quick dribblers.
Furthermore, we need to realize now that teams are going to watch that and putting situational presses on, and after every made and whistle in a tight game. Small lead with 5 or so left, you cannot be content to break the press and set up, make them pay...go to the hoop and take advantage of odd-man breaks. It serves to get good looks, and discourages keeping the trap on.
Quick ballhandler is the ultimate last resort for this, which we don't really seem to have.
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Post by pabeaver on Jan 6, 2019 10:16:45 GMT -8
This honestly should have been a blow out, our guys just froze when they realize they can win. But a win is a win, on to the next one!! What happened when they realized they could lose? 😁 I think very few people predicted we would win this one on the road but were optimistic given the circumstances. I really wouldn’t expect that with a big deficit that the *ucks (or any Pac-12 team) would just roll over at home. They’re too good not to make any adjustments and the press is one of their hallmarks this season. We got through it, are the only team to shoot better than 50% against them, and did the unexpected by getting the road win. I’m ecstatic! Go Beavs!
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Post by jrbeav59 on Jan 6, 2019 10:41:49 GMT -8
Good win Beavs! An article on ESPN talks about how hard it is for any team to win on the road once conference play starts. I think it said 4 of15 ranked teams lost on the road yesterday. Every one of them would like to add an ugly win to their record instead of an L. Again Good win Beavs! There were five PAC-12 games yesterday, OSU's was the only road win.
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 6, 2019 12:59:41 GMT -8
Best/worst Walton-isms:
”Tres Tinkle’s career has been ruined by injuries.” (99% sure this was before he turned his ankle.)
Career ruined by injuries? Self-project much Bill?
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Post by seastape on Jan 6, 2019 13:31:25 GMT -8
Best/worst Walton-isms: ”Tres Tinkle’s career has been ruined by injuries.” (99% sure this was before he turned his ankle.) Career ruined by injuries? Self-project much Bill? I thought Walton said that Tinkle's career was "destroyed" by his injuries. Doesn't matter which one; it was hyperbole. That being said, I liked Walton yesterday and have been enjoying him more and more as the years go by. He's a little off-beat, but so are a lot of us. He has good basketball knowledge and enthusiasm for the sport. He has become my favorite basketball announcer. As an aside, it is fun to hear him talk about how much he likes the state of Oregon.
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Post by alwaysorange on Jan 6, 2019 13:38:15 GMT -8
Walton has diarrhea of the mouth. The less of him the better.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Jan 6, 2019 14:19:22 GMT -8
I am soooo conflicted ("it was the best of times, it was the worst of times...."). I am thrilled we won. Haven't won a Pac-12 road opener since 1990-something. We beat the hated rival 'ucks and their scumbag ethically challenged coach in their house. We can lord over otherwise mostly decent uo fans with a W, not just with the fact that they are complicit in selling their souls hiring sketch coaches for wins..... As pointed out, we got up big, got down, and recovered. And 1-0 looks pretty, even if the game turned almost as ugly as that Boise State-ish floor it was played on. But that 2nd half is what causes conflict......are you kidding me? We were so bad at dealing with the press that even drug-addled Bill Walton (whose commentary I mostly enjoyed for once) could notice we would throw it into the cornered, double teamed teammate who would then throw it backwards (when we got it in at all [here's looking at you, senior]).....ugh, it's too painful to recount. Surprised we were unable to prep for this, compensate for this in game, call a TO and set up a play for this. Players execute, but coaches coach....so which broke down here? (and I fear the answer is "a bit of both"). I am thrilled we won. Will be even more thrilled if the next time we see the press (next game, I am sure) we are able to punish the opponent......Can we learn from this game? Will also be curious to see how this 'uck team fares the rest of the Pac-12 season. While painful to watch, I can just imagine what it would feel like to have the L right now.....like the 'ucks. OK, now I feel better. The right team won, even if they won Ugly. And coach Altman - you might win the rat race, but you will still be a rat..... Go Beavers! I don't think enough can be said about Tres Tinkle in this game. The guy played almost the entire 2nd half with a bum ankle and still put up 16 points in it and was by far the best player on the court for both teams yesterday. WT DID make an adjustment and quit letting Ethan or Stevie inbound the ball later in the 2nd half, and had TT inbound the ball the rest of the game. Lo and behold I don't think we turned the ball over the rest of the game (at least on the press break).
Tres had 12/4/4 in the first half and was the dictator on BOTH ends of the floor as he had a block and other shots that he affected on the defensive end as well. After he came back from the ankle injury he was clearly hobbled and not as mobile, but what did WT do? Quickly draw up catch and shoot plays for him to bury MULTIPLE dagger 3 pointers while he was hot.
For 35 minutes yesterday it was a fantastic display of ability and talent from TT, coaching from WT and staff, and execution from everyone else on the floor. The best 7/8ths of a game I've seen since GP2 was still here. There were 5 minutes where they blew the lead yes, and those 5 minutes were about as ugly as I've ever seen a team play trying to just get the ball up the F@#%ing court, but credit has to be given to WT in switching up the inbound play and getting Vernon in there in crunch time.
I also liked seeing ZR start over Hollins. He immediately hits a 3 on the first possession and I think Al still played well coming off the bench. Both those guys will be important for us for different reasons later on and having both play in the spot that best suits them will be all the better. Would like to see AV get more and more minutes as well because he definitely has the best handles on the team and can dish it and stroke it when needed as well. I don't think I've seen a 5'10" guy get more boards than him either (in contrast pritchard had NONE).
There are so many positives to take from this game and this hopefully is a sign of things to come because I am genuinely excited to see what this team can do the rest of the conference season.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 14:46:59 GMT -8
I am soooo conflicted ("it was the best of times, it was the worst of times...."). I am thrilled we won. Haven't won a Pac-12 road opener since 1990-something. We beat the hated rival 'ucks and their scumbag ethically challenged coach in their house. We can lord over otherwise mostly decent uo fans with a W, not just with the fact that they are complicit in selling their souls hiring sketch coaches for wins..... As pointed out, we got up big, got down, and recovered. And 1-0 looks pretty, even if the game turned almost as ugly as that Boise State-ish floor it was played on. But that 2nd half is what causes conflict......are you kidding me? We were so bad at dealing with the press that even drug-addled Bill Walton (whose commentary I mostly enjoyed for once) could notice we would throw it into the cornered, double teamed teammate who would then throw it backwards (when we got it in at all [here's looking at you, senior]).....ugh, it's too painful to recount. Surprised we were unable to prep for this, compensate for this in game, call a TO and set up a play for this. Players execute, but coaches coach....so which broke down here? (and I fear the answer is "a bit of both"). I am thrilled we won. Will be even more thrilled if the next time we see the press (next game, I am sure) we are able to punish the opponent......Can we learn from this game? Will also be curious to see how this 'uck team fares the rest of the Pac-12 season. While painful to watch, I can just imagine what it would feel like to have the L right now.....like the 'ucks. OK, now I feel better. The right team won, even if they won Ugly. And coach Altman - you might win the rat race, but you will still be a rat..... Go Beavers! I don't think enough can be said about Tres Tinkle in this game. The guy played almost the entire 2nd half with a bum ankle and still put up 16 points in it and was by far the best player on the court for both teams yesterday. WT DID make an adjustment and quit letting Ethan or Stevie inbound the ball later in the 2nd half, and had TT inbound the ball the rest of the game. Lo and behold I don't think we turned the ball over the rest of the game (at least on the press break).
Tres had 12/4/4 in the first half and was the dictator on BOTH ends of the floor as he had a block and other shots that he affected on the defensive end as well. After he came back from the ankle injury he was clearly hobbled and not as mobile, but what did WT do? Quickly draw up catch and shoot plays for him to bury MULTIPLE dagger 3 pointers while he was hot.
For 35 minutes yesterday it was a fantastic display of ability and talent from TT, coaching from WT and staff, and execution from everyone else on the floor. The best 7/8ths of a game I've seen since GP2 was still here. There were 5 minutes where they blew the lead yes, and those 5 minutes were about as ugly as I've ever seen a team play trying to just get the ball up the F@#%ing court, but credit has to be given to WT in switching up the inbound play and getting Vernon in there in crunch time.
I also liked seeing ZR start over Hollins. He immediately hits a 3 on the first possession and I think Al still played well coming off the bench. Both those guys will be important for us for different reasons later on and having both play in the spot that best suits them will be all the better. Would like to see AV get more and more minutes as well because he definitely has the best handles on the team and can dish it and stroke it when needed as well. I don't think I've seen a 5'10" guy get more boards than him either (in contrast pritchard had NONE).
There are so many positives to take from this game and this hopefully is a sign of things to come because I am genuinely excited to see what this team can do the rest of the conference season.
Vernon showed some quicks and moved the ball up the court, iced his free throws and we know he can make threes. Recruiting win so far.
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