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Post by beaverstever on Dec 15, 2018 22:27:58 GMT -8
Nice to see Ethan getting more assertive and having a couple of good games. Unfortunately, he was on his own tonight. No help from his brother, who should be having a confident senior season, Tres took too many shots and his shooting percentage is much worse if you include his turnovers that were effectively forced shots. Bummed about Hollins game - his 10 rebs isn't worth the 2-9 shooting and 5 TOs, not to mention missing clutch FTs - but there's no better option. Just disappointing that this team really isn't significantly better than last year, even though in some way Kelley has been a better fit for this team than Drew.
This was a bad loss - A&M is not a quality basketball team - they showed painfully poor basketball IQ, particularly late.
I've been worried about next year being a big dropoff, but at this point, I'm ready for something different (which hopefully isn't disastrous).
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Post by ocbeav on Dec 15, 2018 22:52:32 GMT -8
“TERRIBLE”. I Almost want to follow them to see how far you are off. They lost Williams and Hogg to the draft and were picked to finish 13 out of 14 in the SEC this season. They are a very bad basketball team entering a rebuilding phase. And the Beavers can’t even beat them in front of thousand Beaver fans.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 23:03:36 GMT -8
“TERRIBLE”. I Almost want to follow them to see how far you are off. They lost Williams and Hogg to the draft and were picked to finish 13 out of 14 in the SEC this season. They are a very bad basketball team entering a rebuilding phase. They only missed 1 or 2 fts all night and played tough D. They did not allow a lot of open 3s and made enough of their own, especially in the first half. Texas A&M is not THAT bad.
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 15, 2018 23:23:12 GMT -8
Nobody will realize it because it because of the brand name (Texas A&M) but that is one of Wayne Tinkle’s worst losses ever as a head coach at OSU. That Texas A&M team is TERRIBLE. Will maybe win a couple games in the SEC. “TERRIBLE”. I Almost want to follow them to see how far you are off. Picked to finish 12th in SEC... Granted that means about 7th-9th in the Pac12. That was about as ugly a D1 hoops game as you can watch. Not sure A&M won it... they tried to lose it... OSU just tried harder. Same old same old... no offensive scheme... long droughts without scoring or without a FG... terrible fundamentals... dribble dribble dribble dribble dribble dribble... and at least 2-3 guys that play matador D... and lack of player development. Campbell leaves for whatever reason and basically never sees the floor. Vernon scored about a point a minute and looks like a PG, but sees no time. Wilson saw ZERO minutes. WW only gets in when KK fouls... and he fouls maybe more than is called as the matador D funnels endless traffic his way. Hollins looks like he's gone backward... severely. Not sure why any high level recruit would ever come here under this staff. Glad the OOC schedule is so tough...
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 15, 2018 23:29:49 GMT -8
They lost Williams and Hogg to the draft and were picked to finish 13 out of 14 in the SEC this season. They are a very bad basketball team entering a rebuilding phase. They only missed 1 or 2 fts all night and played tough D. They did not allow a lot of open 3s and made enough of their own, especially in the first half. Texas A&M is not THAT bad. bL0... they are bad. They are undisciplined, inexperienced, small, play rat ball and hope you do too. OSU obliged. They also have similar 'builds" to SLU... big, sturdy, strong... OSU was continually out hustled and muscled... AND panics in close game situations. People saw glass half full last year when they stated OSU was in so many close games, that it'll lead to wins this year. Losing so many close games isn't a positive. It's a sign of poor discipline, fundamentals, and preparation... hence, 3 losses this year by 13 points. Another continuing trend... The Pac12 has been as down as it ever has been since WT arrived and OSU still falls behind
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Post by bill82 on Dec 16, 2018 5:37:06 GMT -8
“Came down to little things this young team is trying to figure out.” “Jump stops, receiving the pass, meeting the pass, boxing out, finishing plays, those sort of things.”
So simmer down Beaver Nation. Once we get some experience and learn the fundamentals we will be alright.
BTW at 3:39 coach kind of loses it, raising his voice with the reporters, “Let’s get this straight, you understand how many guys we have playing two or more years in our program right now? Two. Stevie and Tres. The rest are sophomores, freshman and one junior college transfer, so let’s talk about being patient here.”
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Post by bennysdentist on Dec 16, 2018 7:30:08 GMT -8
WT said that with a straight face?
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Post by bill82 on Dec 16, 2018 8:04:28 GMT -8
Angry face. Never a good look to get angry with reporters asking basic questions. The wheels are showing signs of coming off.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 8:18:09 GMT -8
They only missed 1 or 2 fts all night and played tough D. They did not allow a lot of open 3s and made enough of their own, especially in the first half. Texas A&M is not THAT bad. bL0... they are bad. They are undisciplined, inexperienced, small, play rat ball and hope you do too. OSU obliged. They also have similar 'builds" to SLU... big, sturdy, strong... OSU was continually out hustled and muscled... AND panics in close game situations. People saw glass half full last year when they stated OSU was in so many close games, that it'll lead to wins this year. Losing so many close games isn't a positive. It's a sign of poor discipline, fundamentals, and preparation... hence, 3 losses this year by 13 points. Another continuing trend... The Pac12 has been as down as it ever has been since WT arrived and OSU still falls behind I didnt say they were "good". But there is no way Oregon State deserved to win that, even if they did somehow pull it off. Texas a&m kinda did earn that win. Made the beavs take horrible shots and lured them into stupid turnovers. Beavs will oblige you on that every time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 8:21:13 GMT -8
“Came down to little things this young team is trying to figure out.” “Jump stops, receiving the pass, meeting the pass, boxing out, finishing plays, those sort of things.” So simmer down Beaver Nation. Once we get some experience and learn the fundamentals we will be alright. BTW at 3:39 coach kind of loses it, raising his voice with the reporters, “Let’s get this straight, you understand how many guys we have playing two or more years in our program right now? Two. Stevie and Tres. The rest are sophomores, freshman and one junior college transfer, so let’s talk about being patient here.” Oh SHIRT did Wayne really say that?? Jumped the Shark there with that statement. Dude :-(
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Post by messi on Dec 16, 2018 9:01:43 GMT -8
“Came down to little things this young team is trying to figure out.” “Jump stops, receiving the pass, meeting the pass, boxing out, finishing plays, those sort of things.” So simmer down Beaver Nation. Once we get some experience and learn the fundamentals we will be alright. BTW at 3:39 coach kind of loses it, raising his voice with the reporters, “Let’s get this straight, you understand how many guys we have playing two or more years in our program right now? Two. Stevie and Tres. The rest are sophomores, freshman and one junior college transfer, so let’s talk about being patient here.” Him messing around with that stack of paper (prepared statements?) just looks bad to me. Year 4 of your first recruiting class buddy, the young excuse doesn't work now.
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 16, 2018 11:01:06 GMT -8
“Came down to little things this young team is trying to figure out.” “Jump stops, receiving the pass, meeting the pass, boxing out, finishing plays, those sort of things.” So simmer down Beaver Nation. Once we get some experience and learn the fundamentals we will be alright. BTW at 3:39 coach kind of loses it, raising his voice with the reporters, “Let’s get this straight, you understand how many guys we have playing two or more years in our program right now? Two. Stevie and Tres. The rest are sophomores, freshman and one junior college transfer, so let’s talk about being patient here.” Him messing around with that stack of paper (prepared statements?) just looks bad to me. Year 4 of your first recruiting class buddy, the young excuse doesn't work now. Simply a coach who knows its not working. That showed signs of real "panic"... play just like that interview played. Teams are a extension of their coach... keep giving them excuses and they'll never improve. Besides... some of the biggest mistakes and biggest no show were the two he mentioned. Key turnovers, matador D, poor shooting, missed clutch FTs. Seems experience in his "system" has little to do with it.
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Post by beavheart on Dec 16, 2018 12:16:51 GMT -8
I'll say this, I am somewhat reassured after watching the post-game presser. At the very least, I like the fire I see in Coach and the guys. We've seen past coaches look like deer in the headlights in moments like these, and the results were entirely predictable. I think CWT makes some good points, and I expect to see improvement going forward. It definitely doesn't help when you play two games in two weeks with finals mixed in there. It's not hard to imagine there being better focus from everyone going forward.
I still don't get ET at the point. Why? For all his speed and quickness FOR HIS SIZE, he is never going to break down an opposing point guard, which is exactly what this team needs. I'm willing to wait and see how this team responds to losing a couple of tight games to teams with much more physical D than they can play themselves. But I, for the life of me, can't understand why you wouldn't try putting Vernon at the point, ET at the 2, and bring Stevie off the bench. Stevie hasn't added any bulk to his size or really any discernible game to his repertoire. ET and ST are very similar players except that ET has some bulk, and ET at the point just isn't working against teams that can D up. IE, everyone we will play in the second half of the season. I don't know if Jordan Campbell leaving had anything to do with nepotism, but it's starting to look that way when you are simply unwilling to try someone else while the answer seems so obvious to just about everyone else.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 25, 2019 9:34:24 GMT -8
I will be shocked if this team wins more than 4 conference games. I guess you better ground yourself so you're not electrocuted.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 25, 2019 10:00:25 GMT -8
I will be shocked if this team wins more than 4 conference games. I guess you better ground yourself so you're not electrocuted. pcm still has a chance...
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