|
|
Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 17, 2018 14:26:00 GMT -8
Actually right now our S of S is 114. That puts us in the top 1/3 of D1 basketball. If we play the "most pathetic preseason schedule you could ever think of," what does that say for the 239 teams that have a weaker S of S? realtimerpi.com/college_Men_basketball_rpi1.html Your stats may be correct but we are in the top 5 college sports conferences. I consider acc, big 10, big 12 . sec, pac12 to be the 5 major conferences. That's about what 60 teams? We should be a better program them teams from the Mac or. Mt. West or other conferences like that. We have more money from what our conference brings in compared to them. If we finish 114 in the nation this year Tinkle needs to go so having the 114 hardest schedule still seems bad to me. I mean honestly what win this year of ours do you find impressive. Saint Louis is ranked 70th We are ranked 75 Only 1 other team we have played is in the top 100 and their 98. Everyone else is worse then 100 with 3 being in the 200s. I mean I don't understand how that's not a very easy schedule. You lost to the 1 team ranked similar you as well as losing to a team ranked 23 spots below you. All those teams ranked in the 100s and 200s should be easy wins. We didn't challange ourselves at all this pre season. We normally have At Least 1 game vs a ranked team or At least close but our biggest challange is number 70 in the country. In my opinion that's a pretty pathetic schedule but that's just my opinion. I am using Pomeroy's ranking of our SOS. Oregon State has played the seventh-hardest schedule in the Pac-12. Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon, and Washington State (and the easiest schedule in NCAA) have all played softer schedules. There are 75 teams in the "5 major conferences." Oregon State would have the 6th-hardest schedule in the ACC, 12th-hardest in the Big 10, 6th-hardest in the Big 12, and 7th-hardest in the SEC. Of the 75 "major conference" teams, the Beavers' schedule ranks 34th. Oregon State is 6-3. The Beavers have 12 home games and 9 away games remaining. Oregon State's magic number appears to be 14. Win 14, and the Beavers are squarely on the bubble. That is, win all of the home games and win two road games. Go to Pullman and go to Salt Lake City and pull off wins. Win at home. If you drop a home game, pick up one on the road. Get Big G back, finish in the upper half of the conference, and win at least one conference tournament game. That gives Oregon State a real shot. Go Beavs! |
|
|
|
Post by baseba1111 on Dec 17, 2018 16:11:53 GMT -8
Your stats may be correct but we are in the top 5 college sports conferences. I consider acc, big 10, big 12 . sec, pac12 to be the 5 major conferences. That's about what 60 teams? We should be a better program them teams from the Mac or. Mt. West or other conferences like that. We have more money from what our conference brings in compared to them. If we finish 114 in the nation this year Tinkle needs to go so having the 114 hardest schedule still seems bad to me. I mean honestly what win this year of ours do you find impressive. Saint Louis is ranked 70th We are ranked 75 Only 1 other team we have played is in the top 100 and their 98. Everyone else is worse then 100 with 3 being in the 200s. I mean I don't understand how that's not a very easy schedule. You lost to the 1 team ranked similar you as well as losing to a team ranked 23 spots below you. All those teams ranked in the 100s and 200s should be easy wins. We didn't challange ourselves at all this pre season. We normally have At Least 1 game vs a ranked team or At least close but our biggest challange is number 70 in the country. In my opinion that's a pretty pathetic schedule but that's just my opinion. I am using Pomeroy's ranking of our SOS. Oregon State has played the seventh-hardest schedule in the Pac-12. Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon, and Washington State (and the easiest schedule in NCAA) have all played softer schedules. There are 75 teams in the "5 major conferences." Oregon State would have the 6th-hardest schedule in the ACC, 12th-hardest in the Big 10, 6th-hardest in the Big 12, and 7th-hardest in the SEC. Of the 75 "major conference" teams, the Beavers' schedule ranks 34th. Oregon State is 6-3. The Beavers have 12 home games and 9 away games remaining. Oregon State's magic number appears to be 14. Win 14, and the Beavers are squarely on the bubble. That is, win all of the home games and win two road games. Go to Pullman and go to Salt Lake City and pull off wins. Win at home. If you drop a home game, pick up one on the road. Get Big G back, finish in the upper half of the conference, and win at least one conference tournament game. That gives Oregon State a real shot. Go Beavs! I'll have a couple (or more) shots of what he's having! |
|
|
|
Post by beaverdreams on Dec 17, 2018 16:24:57 GMT -8
Your stats may be correct but we are in the top 5 college sports conferences. I consider acc, big 10, big 12 . sec, pac12 to be the 5 major conferences. That's about what 60 teams? We should be a better program them teams from the Mac or. Mt. West or other conferences like that. We have more money from what our conference brings in compared to them. If we finish 114 in the nation this year Tinkle needs to go so having the 114 hardest schedule still seems bad to me. I mean honestly what win this year of ours do you find impressive. Saint Louis is ranked 70th We are ranked 75 Only 1 other team we have played is in the top 100 and their 98. Everyone else is worse then 100 with 3 being in the 200s. I mean I don't understand how that's not a very easy schedule. You lost to the 1 team ranked similar you as well as losing to a team ranked 23 spots below you. All those teams ranked in the 100s and 200s should be easy wins. We didn't challange ourselves at all this pre season. We normally have At Least 1 game vs a ranked team or At least close but our biggest challange is number 70 in the country. In my opinion that's a pretty pathetic schedule but that's just my opinion. I am using Pomeroy's ranking of our SOS. Oregon State has played the seventh-hardest schedule in the Pac-12. Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon, and Washington State (and the easiest schedule in NCAA) have all played softer schedules. There are 75 teams in the "5 major conferences." Oregon State would have the 6th-hardest schedule in the ACC, 12th-hardest in the Big 10, 6th-hardest in the Big 12, and 7th-hardest in the SEC. Of the 75 "major conference" teams, the Beavers' schedule ranks 34th. Oregon State is 6-3. The Beavers have 12 home games and 9 away games remaining. Oregon State's magic number appears to be 14. Win 14, and the Beavers are squarely on the bubble. That is, win all of the home games and win two road games. Go to Pullman and go to Salt Lake City and pull off wins. Win at home. If you drop a home game, pick up one on the road. Get Big G back, finish in the upper half of the conference, and win at least one conference tournament game. That gives Oregon State a real shot. Go Beavs! Thanks for the realistic and positive post......we all need to calm down. There is still hope.......I believe! |
|
|
|
Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 19, 2018 13:47:04 GMT -8
I am using Pomeroy's ranking of our SOS. Oregon State has played the seventh-hardest schedule in the Pac-12. Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon, and Washington State (and the easiest schedule in NCAA) have all played softer schedules. There are 75 teams in the "5 major conferences." Oregon State would have the 6th-hardest schedule in the ACC, 12th-hardest in the Big 10, 6th-hardest in the Big 12, and 7th-hardest in the SEC. Of the 75 "major conference" teams, the Beavers' schedule ranks 34th. Oregon State is 6-3. The Beavers have 12 home games and 9 away games remaining. Oregon State's magic number appears to be 14. Win 14, and the Beavers are squarely on the bubble. That is, win all of the home games and win two road games. Go to Pullman and go to Salt Lake City and pull off wins. Win at home. If you drop a home game, pick up one on the road. Get Big G back, finish in the upper half of the conference, and win at least one conference tournament game. That gives Oregon State a real shot. Go Beavs! I'll have a couple (or more) shots of what he's having! In 2016-2017 alone, Leicester City won the Premiership (four years removed from EFL Championship and seven years removed from EFL League One); the Cavs won three straight over the Warriors to overcome a 3-1 deficit to win the NBA Championship to win Cleveland's first major professional championship since 1964; the Brexit vote; the Cubs overcame a 2-1 deficit in the NLCS and 3-1 deficit in the World Series in the 100th year of the Cubs playing at Wrigley Field (the Cubs' first World Series Championship in 108 years and first World Series Championship ever at Wrigley Field); Trump won the 2016 presidential election; Clemson overcame a 10-point fourth quarter deficit against Alabama, winning the game with one second left; the Patriots overcame a 28-3 second half deficit with 8:31 left in the third quarter and a 28-9 fourth quarter deficit with 9:44 left. Stranger things have happened? |
|
|
|
Post by baseba1111 on Dec 19, 2018 13:56:08 GMT -8
I'll have a couple (or more) shots of what he's having! In 2016-2017 alone, Leicester City won the Premiership (four years removed from EFL Championship and seven years removed from EFL League One); the Cavs won three straight over the Warriors to overcome a 3-1 deficit to win the NBA Championship to win Cleveland's first major professional championship since 1964; the Brexit vote; the Cubs overcame a 2-1 deficit in the NLCS and 3-1 deficit in the World Series in the 100th year of the Cubs playing at Wrigley Field (the Cubs' first World Series Championship in 108 years and first World Series Championship ever at Wrigley Field); Trump won the 2016 presidential election; Clemson overcame a 10-point fourth quarter deficit against Alabama, winning the game with one second left; the Patriots overcame a 28-3 second half deficit with 8:31 left in the third quarter and a 28-9 fourth quarter deficit with 9:44 left. Stranger things have happened? If only ANY of that had ANYTHING to do with Beaver hoops and their possible success. 🍻 |
|
|
|
Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 19, 2018 14:50:49 GMT -8
In 2016-2017 alone, Leicester City won the Premiership (four years removed from EFL Championship and seven years removed from EFL League One); the Cavs won three straight over the Warriors to overcome a 3-1 deficit to win the NBA Championship to win Cleveland's first major professional championship since 1964; the Brexit vote; the Cubs overcame a 2-1 deficit in the NLCS and 3-1 deficit in the World Series in the 100th year of the Cubs playing at Wrigley Field (the Cubs' first World Series Championship in 108 years and first World Series Championship ever at Wrigley Field); Trump won the 2016 presidential election; Clemson overcame a 10-point fourth quarter deficit against Alabama, winning the game with one second left; the Patriots overcame a 28-3 second half deficit with 8:31 left in the third quarter and a 28-9 fourth quarter deficit with 9:44 left. Stranger things have happened? If only ANY of that had ANYTHING to do with Beaver hoops and their possible success. 🍻 The Beavs are sitting at 7 and 3. They are literally 7 missed shots short of a 10 and 0 record. It's not time for underdog stories just yet. |
|
|
|
Post by osubeaver2018 on Dec 19, 2018 14:51:13 GMT -8
I'll have a couple (or more) shots of what he's having! In 2016-2017 alone, Leicester City won the Premiership (four years removed from EFL Championship and seven years removed from EFL League One); the Cavs won three straight over the Warriors to overcome a 3-1 deficit to win the NBA Championship to win Cleveland's first major professional championship since 1964; the Brexit vote; the Cubs overcame a 2-1 deficit in the NLCS and 3-1 deficit in the World Series in the 100th year of the Cubs playing at Wrigley Field (the Cubs' first World Series Championship in 108 years and first World Series Championship ever at Wrigley Field); Trump won the 2016 presidential election; Clemson overcame a 10-point fourth quarter deficit against Alabama, winning the game with one second left; the Patriots overcame a 28-3 second half deficit with 8:31 left in the third quarter and a 28-9 fourth quarter deficit with 9:44 left. Stranger things have happened? As a Falcons fan I still have nightmares about the 2017 Super Bowl. Thanks for helping me relive that again  |
|
|
|
Post by baseba1111 on Dec 19, 2018 22:59:12 GMT -8
If only ANY of that had ANYTHING to do with Beaver hoops and their possible success. 🍻 The Beavs are sitting at 7 and 3. They are literally 7 missed shots short of a 10 and 0 record. It's not time for underdog stories just yet. Wait... so that means OSU is what, three missed shots from 4-6? (edit... my bad 5-5) Pointing out losing close games only points to the lack of improvement in the same facet as last season. Gosh, think OSU was like 5 missed shots from 20 wins. OSU has beaten no one of consequence... lost to any team close to their level... and have shown the same level of play as previous years that include no GPII. |
|
|
|
Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 19, 2018 23:40:08 GMT -8
The Beavs are sitting at 7 and 3. They are literally 7 missed shots short of a 10 and 0 record. It's not time for underdog stories just yet. Wait... so that means OSU is what, three missed shots from 4-6? Pointing out losing close games only points to the lack of improvement in the same facet as last season. Gosh, think OSU was like 5 missed shots from 20 wins. OSU has beaten no one of consequence... lost to any team close to their level... and have shown the same level of play as previous years that include no GPII. A few shots extra go down earlier this season and you'd be on an island by yourself preaching how bad the coach is. I'm not saying everything is fine, or that they'd be a great team if sitting at 10 as nd 0, but things might not be as bad as you continually paint them. They've got a lot of work to do but it's not hopeless. I am happy to see Vernon getting more playing time and it's nice to see Reicle and Hollins contributing. If that can keep up and even improve it's hard to say what can occur in league play. |
|
|
|
Post by baseba1111 on Dec 20, 2018 0:31:50 GMT -8
Wait... so that means OSU is what, three missed shots from 4-6? Pointing out losing close games only points to the lack of improvement in the same facet as last season. Gosh, think OSU was like 5 missed shots from 20 wins. OSU has beaten no one of consequence... lost to any team close to their level... and have shown the same level of play as previous years that include no GPII. A few shots extra go down earlier this season and you'd be on an island by yourself preaching how bad the coach is. I'm not saying everything is fine, or that they'd be a great team if sitting at 10 as nd 0, but things might not be as bad as you continually paint them. They've got a lot of work to do but it's not hopeless. I am happy to see Vernon getting more playing time and it's nice to see Reicle and Hollins contributing. If that can keep up and even improve it's hard to say what can occur in league play. Outcomes of a few made hoops don't change the lack of process and progress. Just as one player was able to hide deficiencies, and key injuries magnified them. |
|
|
|
Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 20, 2018 12:29:41 GMT -8
The Beavs are sitting at 7 and 3. They are literally 7 missed shots short of a 10 and 0 record. It's not time for underdog stories just yet. Wait... so that means OSU is what, three missed shots from 4-6? Pointing out losing close games only points to the lack of improvement in the same facet as last season. Gosh, think OSU was like 5 missed shots from 20 wins. OSU has beaten no one of consequence... lost to any team close to their level... and have shown the same level of play as previous years that include no GPII. No. At best, you could say that they are four missed shots from 5-5. (UC Riverside was the next closest game, 72-59.) Pomeroy has a "Luck" metric. Oregon State's "Luck" last year was 339th, 13th from the bottom. Oregon State's "Luck" this year is 305th, 49th from the bottom. I agree with drunkandstoopidbeav 100%. This team is light years closer to 10-0 than it is to 4-6. You can keep saying that the mostly full glass is half empty, but I flat disagree. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 13:00:29 GMT -8
Wait... so that means OSU is what, three missed shots from 4-6? Pointing out losing close games only points to the lack of improvement in the same facet as last season. Gosh, think OSU was like 5 missed shots from 20 wins. OSU has beaten no one of consequence... lost to any team close to their level... and have shown the same level of play as previous years that include no GPII. No. At best, you could say that they are four missed shots from 5-5. (UC Riverside was the next closest game, 72-59.) Pomeroy has a "Luck" metric. Oregon State's "Luck" last year was 339th, 13th from the bottom. Oregon State's "Luck" this year is 305th, 49th from the bottom. I agree with drunkandstoopidbeav 100%. This team is light years closer to 10-0 than it is to 4-6. You can keep saying that the mostly full glass is half empty, but I flat disagree. This is a team not without assets leading shot blocker in the NCAA: 1 Kylor Kelley Oregon St. Jr. 7-0 F 10 40 4.00 49 guy double doubles: - Tres Tinkle Oregon St. Jr. 6-8 F 10 5 55 in scoring defenes: 55 Oregon St. 10 654 65.4 |
|
|
|
Post by baseba1111 on Dec 20, 2018 13:02:25 GMT -8
Wait... so that means OSU is what, three missed shots from 4-6? Pointing out losing close games only points to the lack of improvement in the same facet as last season. Gosh, think OSU was like 5 missed shots from 20 wins. OSU has beaten no one of consequence... lost to any team close to their level... and have shown the same level of play as previous years that include no GPII. No. At best, you could say that they are four missed shots from 5-5. (UC Riverside was the next closest game, 72-59.) Pomeroy has a "Luck" metric. Oregon State's "Luck" last year was 339th, 13th from the bottom. Oregon State's "Luck" this year is 305th, 49th from the bottom. I agree with drunkandstoopidbeav 100%. This team is light years closer to 10-0 than it is to 4-6. You can keep saying that the mostly full glass is half empty, but I flat disagree. Yep... 5-5 my bad... Old Dom (good win for us now with their road win over Cuse!)... but to the point a 5 pt win... they shot 28% from 3 and 50% from the line (they shoot 35% and 67%) ... (2) 3pts OSU loses... or just shoot season ave. LBSt... 3 pt win... (2) hoops of any kind... they shoot 11/36 and 1/8 in 2nd half... BUT... at least (7-8) shots from any 10-0 (6 pt loss... 4 pt loss... 3 pt loss). The point of my sarcastic reply being it's ridiculous to talk about "what if's" and shots made to be 10-0. Just as it was ludicrous to talk about close games and how close OSU was to 20 wins. Cuts both ways and several last second desperation shots have gone OSU's way to even get to the current win mark. |
|
|
|
Post by nabeav on Dec 20, 2018 13:19:32 GMT -8
Don't forget we torched a Penn team that beat Villanova. I see both sides of this argument - We are not a bad team, but consistently inconsistent shooting and lack of bench production make us not a good team.
We will beat a few teams we shouldn't and lose to a few team we should beat. probably pencil out around .500 in conference, which probably gets us NIT given the national sentiment towards our conference these days.
|
|
|
|
Post by baseba1111 on Dec 20, 2018 13:34:12 GMT -8
Don't forget we torched a Penn team that beat Villanova. I see both sides of this argument - We are not a bad team, but consistently inconsistent shooting and lack of bench production make us not a good team. We will beat a few teams we shouldn't and lose to a few team we should beat. probably pencil out around .500 in conference, which probably gets us NIT given the national sentiment towards our conference these days. Contrary to some on here that think any criticism = FIRE THE COACH... my, and many others, see no improvement... in player development and in overall type of play WT's teams show. And... excuses like his tirade after A&M are growing old. His seat should be very warm and at a school more flush with funds he'd be on a VERY hot seat. The frustrating part is two-fold: - I believe we do have some talent... Pac12 talent that could blossom under good sound guidance; - The Pac12 is down and has been yet OSU can't really take advantage to finish in top half/third. I have no idea how this season will play out. And, with how the team plays it could go either way... so inconsistent there's no telling and hard to have expectations except to compare to statistical rankings on how we "should do". I'll not waste time to go over players team by team, but my "glass half empty" assessment is that OSU might be the most underachieving team with this level of talent... in the Pac12 certainly. |
|
