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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 4:04:38 GMT -8
Tribune ArticleCORVALLIS — Wayne Tinkle is tanned and rested after a week's family vacation near Cabo San Lucas, Mexico. Soon, though, the Oregon State men's basketball coach will roll up his sleeves and begin preparation for his fifth season at the OSU helm. A half-dozen newcomers — four freshmen along with transfers Payton Dastrup and Kylor Kelley — will bolster a Beaver team that returns four starters. The freshmen and Kelley took summer classes and spent seven weeks in Corvallis working out and playing pickup games. The players will convene on Sept. 8 and be able to work for four hours per week under the watch of OSU coaches until formal practice sessions begin either Sept. 25 or Oct. 1. Tinkle hopes he'll have a squad capable of making the NCAA Tournament, which Oregon State hasn't done since 2015-16 — the first OSU team to accomplish that since 1989-90. The Beavers were a disastrous 5-27 the following season before rebounding to 16-16 a year ago.
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Post by atownbeaver on Aug 29, 2018 11:40:44 GMT -8
Tribune ArticleCORVALLIS — Wayne Tinkle is tanned and rested after a week's family vacation near Cabo San Lucas, Mexico. Soon, though, the Oregon State men's basketball coach will roll up his sleeves and begin preparation for his fifth season at the OSU helm. A half-dozen newcomers — four freshmen along with transfers Payton Dastrup and Kylor Kelley — will bolster a Beaver team that returns four starters. The freshmen and Kelley took summer classes and spent seven weeks in Corvallis working out and playing pickup games. The players will convene on Sept. 8 and be able to work for four hours per week under the watch of OSU coaches until formal practice sessions begin either Sept. 25 or Oct. 1. Tinkle hopes he'll have a squad capable of making the NCAA Tournament, which Oregon State hasn't done since 2015-16 — the first OSU team to accomplish that since 1989-90. The Beavers were a disastrous 5-27 the following season before rebounding to 16-16 a year ago. To me, it is an NCAA birth or it is a rocket hot seat for Tinkle... He has had 3 okay years and one poo pile. It is time for a great one. This is year 5, the excuses have to be gone by now. you can't really talk about recruiting or the roster when you are five years in. We have 1 "first team all pac" quality player, 2 "honorable mention" quality starters, and a pair of pretty solid contributors. Lets do this thing. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 29, 2018 12:22:17 GMT -8
Tribune ArticleCORVALLIS — Wayne Tinkle is tanned and rested after a week's family vacation near Cabo San Lucas, Mexico. Soon, though, the Oregon State men's basketball coach will roll up his sleeves and begin preparation for his fifth season at the OSU helm. A half-dozen newcomers — four freshmen along with transfers Payton Dastrup and Kylor Kelley — will bolster a Beaver team that returns four starters. The freshmen and Kelley took summer classes and spent seven weeks in Corvallis working out and playing pickup games. The players will convene on Sept. 8 and be able to work for four hours per week under the watch of OSU coaches until formal practice sessions begin either Sept. 25 or Oct. 1. Tinkle hopes he'll have a squad capable of making the NCAA Tournament, which Oregon State hasn't done since 2015-16 — the first OSU team to accomplish that since 1989-90. The Beavers were a disastrous 5-27 the following season before rebounding to 16-16 a year ago. To me, it is an NCAA birth or it is a rocket hot seat for Tinkle... He has had 3 okay years and one poo pile. It is time for a great one. This is year 5, the excuses have to be gone by now. you can't really talk about recruiting or the roster when you are five years in. We have 1 "first team all pac" quality player, 2 "honorable mention" quality starters, and a pair of pretty solid contributors. Lets do this thing. I would classify one of those years as better than "okay", since we actually made the tourney for the first time in 25 years.
I'm really hoping that Dastrup can get immediately eligible. I think that he could be a key to this year's team so they don't have to heavily rely on the freshman bigs.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Aug 29, 2018 13:39:07 GMT -8
I would consider a really good year to be one in which we got a NIT or NCAA post-season victory. A pretty good year is a one-and-done NIT/NCAA tournament year. An OK year is a .500 record bubble team (a'la last year) A "poo pile" year, using atownbeaver parlance, is most of what we've seen for 25 years...... So we are hopefully on a good trajectory in the last two or three seasons: pretty good, poo pile, OK - and ideally trending upward (and staying out of the poo pile cellar). That is the key question - is the coaching and personnel in place to trend upwards into pretty good or really good territory? And if not, five years in, we will be right in wondering whether the coaching can identify, recruit and develop the personnel.... My only point is that I would be OK with an NIT victory or two OR an NCAA tourney appearance as validation that we are on the right track this coming season. I think that is key to attracting next level talent - over on the WBB side, I think the Top 100 recruits are becoming aware that we are consistently among the last 8 or 16 teams playing......and we need to emulate that at perhaps a more modest level in MBB or further poo piles await. Go Beavers! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 14:15:55 GMT -8
I would consider a really good year to be one in which we got a NIT or NCAA post-season victory. A pretty good year is a one-and-done NIT/NCAA tournament year. An OK year is a .500 record bubble team (a'la last year) A "poo pile" year, using atownbeaver parlance, is most of what we've seen for 25 years...... So we are hopefully on a good trajectory in the last two or three seasons: pretty good, poo pile, OK - and ideally trending upward (and staying out of the poo pile cellar). That is the key question - is the coaching and personnel in place to trend upwards into pretty good or really good territory? And if not, five years in, we will be right in wondering whether the coaching can identify, recruit and develop the personnel.... My only point is that I would be OK with an NIT victory or two OR an NCAA tourney appearance as validation that we are on the right track this coming season. I think that is key to attracting next level talent - over on the WBB side, I think the Top 100 recruits are becoming aware that we are consistently among the last 8 or 16 teams playing......and we need to emulate that at perhaps a more modest level in MBB or further poo piles await. Go Beavers! Demanding the Beavs get to the NCAA again this year is skipping a significant Rung on the ladder. Oregon State Basketball has not had a winning conference record (+.500) in 29 years. That's a lot of horse apples to sweep up so first things first. Big Wayne gets us over that hump i say that's a step in the right direction. |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Aug 29, 2018 14:30:52 GMT -8
I would consider a really good year to be one in which we got a NIT or NCAA post-season victory. A pretty good year is a one-and-done NIT/NCAA tournament year. An OK year is a .500 record bubble team (a'la last year) A "poo pile" year, using atownbeaver parlance, is most of what we've seen for 25 years...... So we are hopefully on a good trajectory in the last two or three seasons: pretty good, poo pile, OK - and ideally trending upward (and staying out of the poo pile cellar). That is the key question - is the coaching and personnel in place to trend upwards into pretty good or really good territory? And if not, five years in, we will be right in wondering whether the coaching can identify, recruit and develop the personnel.... My only point is that I would be OK with an NIT victory or two OR an NCAA tourney appearance as validation that we are on the right track this coming season. I think that is key to attracting next level talent - over on the WBB side, I think the Top 100 recruits are becoming aware that we are consistently among the last 8 or 16 teams playing......and we need to emulate that at perhaps a more modest level in MBB or further poo piles await. Go Beavers! Demanding the Beavs get to the NCAA again this year is skipping a significant Rung on the ladder. Oregon State Basketball has not had a winning conference record (+.500) in 29 years. That's a lot of horse apples to sweep up so first things first. Big Wayne gets us over that hump i say that's a step in the right direction. I don't know how to look up this stat, but I could swear I have heard that a .500 Pac-12 record means RPI or record-wise that you are tourney-worthy (and other than one or two anomalies, a .500 Pac-12 record has resulted in tourney invites), so I was assuming a somewhat acceptable Pac-12 record as part of my expectation model. We are dredging the depths regardless of your step or mine: Last NCAA win = 1982 Last NIT win = 1987 last .500 conference record = 1992 Now I am depressed...... Go Beavers! |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 29, 2018 15:53:34 GMT -8
It's not NCAA Tourney or hot seat for me simply because its possible to have a winning Pac 12 record and 21 win season and still not get in if the rest of the league doesn't fall in place. I'd be pretty happy with that kind of record. Happy and satisfied are two different things but you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Aug 29, 2018 20:22:05 GMT -8
I don't know how to look up this stat, but I could swear I have heard that a .500 Pac-12 record means RPI or record-wise that you are tourney-worthy (and other than one or two anomalies, a .500 Pac-12 record has resulted in tourney invites), so I was assuming a somewhat acceptable Pac-12 record as part of my expectation model. We are dredging the depths regardless of your step or mine: Last NCAA win = 1982 Last NIT win = 1987 last .500 conference record = 1992 Now I am depressed...... Go Beavers! Actually the last .500 conference season was 2016 when they made the NCAA tournament |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Aug 29, 2018 21:02:39 GMT -8
I don't know how to look up this stat, but I could swear I have heard that a .500 Pac-12 record means RPI or record-wise that you are tourney-worthy (and other than one or two anomalies, a .500 Pac-12 record has resulted in tourney invites), so I was assuming a somewhat acceptable Pac-12 record as part of my expectation model. We are dredging the depths regardless of your step or mine: Last NCAA win = 1982 Last NIT win = 1987 last .500 conference record = 1992 Now I am depressed...... Go Beavers! Actually the last .500 conference season was 2016 when they made the NCAA tournament Good point - thanks, I stand corrected. Appreciate you talking me off the ledge! Go Beavers! |
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Post by sagebrush on Sept 4, 2018 20:39:27 GMT -8
Tribune ArticleCORVALLIS — Wayne Tinkle is tanned and rested after a week's family vacation near Cabo San Lucas, Mexico. Soon, though, the Oregon State men's basketball coach will roll up his sleeves and begin preparation for his fifth season at the OSU helm. A half-dozen newcomers — four freshmen along with transfers Payton Dastrup and Kylor Kelley — will bolster a Beaver team that returns four starters. The freshmen and Kelley took summer classes and spent seven weeks in Corvallis working out and playing pickup games. The players will convene on Sept. 8 and be able to work for four hours per week under the watch of OSU coaches until formal practice sessions begin either Sept. 25 or Oct. 1. Tinkle hopes he'll have a squad capable of making the NCAA Tournament, which Oregon State hasn't done since 2015-16 — the first OSU team to accomplish that since 1989-90. The Beavers were a disastrous 5-27 the following season before rebounding to 16-16 a year ago. To me, it is an NCAA birth or it is a rocket hot seat for Tinkle... He has had 3 okay years and one poo pile. It is time for a great one. This is year 5, the excuses have to be gone by now. you can't really talk about recruiting or the roster when you are five years in. We have 1 "first team all pac" quality player, 2 "honorable mention" quality starters, and a pair of pretty solid contributors. Lets do this thing. |
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Post by sagebrush on Sept 4, 2018 20:41:56 GMT -8
If the LSU coach in on the hot seat after a 9-4 record, Tinkles butt has to be on fire. Five years is enough. Mediocre doesn't cut it.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 4, 2018 22:34:42 GMT -8
Coaches at OSU since Ralph Miller:
ANDERSON: 4 losing seasons in 6 years.
PAYNE: 6 losing seasons in 6 years.
JOHN: 5 losing seasons in 6 years.
ROBINSON: 3 losing seasons in 6 years.
TINKLE: 1 losing season in 4 years.
I personally would argue that the 1st 2 Tinkle seasons OSU overachieved and year 3 was primed to happen due to 2 missing recruiting classes prior to Tinkle's arrival.
This will be an interesting season to watch unfold. Deepest team Tinkle has had, even if it is only 7 returning scholarship players.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 4, 2018 22:40:27 GMT -8
If the LSU coach in on the hot seat after a 9-4 record, Tinkles butt has to be on fire. Five years is enough. Mediocre doesn't cut it. Just out of curiosity, which coach and which sport, and when, at LSU? |
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Post by bill82 on Sept 5, 2018 5:10:38 GMT -8
If the LSU coach in on the hot seat after a 9-4 record, Tinkles butt has to be on fire. Five years is enough. Mediocre doesn't cut it. Just out of curiosity, which coach and which sport, and when, at LSU? After one of the wildest coaching carousels in recent memory, after all the SEC’s mind-rattling movement in late 2017, Paul Finebaum sees one name facing serious heat next fall: LSU’s Ed Orgeron. Recently, the SEC Network analyst spoke to SEC Country and named Orgeron when asked to give his selection for the SEC coach who enters 2018 on the conference’s hottest seat. Orgeron posted a 9-4 record in his first full year as LSU’s coach last fall, and the Tigers ended with a loss to Notre Dame in the Citrus Bowl. “I wouldn’t necessarily say that he’s going to lose his job, short of a cataclysmic season,” Finebaum told SEC Country. “But I think the way that the [2017] season ended was pretty negative. I believe the bowl game hurt.” |
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Post by beaverinohio on Sept 5, 2018 5:54:57 GMT -8
If the LSU coach in on the hot seat after a 9-4 record, Tinkles butt has to be on fire. Five years is enough. Mediocre doesn't cut it. While I agree we need to see improvement this year by the Beavs, LSU football and Beaver men's basketball just aren't on the same level over the last 25 years. |
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