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Post by Werebeaver on Aug 20, 2018 6:50:26 GMT -8
Who started the myth? Scott Rueck. Oh yeah, that guy. Who the hell asked him? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 7:06:19 GMT -8
Who started the myth? Scott Rueck. I don't see your point. That a coach tries to be complimentary and supportive of his players is natural and expected. So if you think Coach Rueck's words are the definitive and best judgment of Grymek's performance, as you are implying, then you're smoking something. You ignore the stats, you ignore the video of the game that is still available on Youtube, and you choose whatever argument suffices to resolve the cognitive dissonance between reality and your immutable beliefs. Or maybe you ARE just pointing out that Rueck started the myth! |
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Post by bennyskid on Aug 20, 2018 8:44:46 GMT -8
I've watched that video three times.
So Jo had a positive +/-, against a WNBA second-round draft pick and a NCAA #3-seed team, on the road. And the film shows how - her footwork has improved dramatically over the season. I'm sorry that doesn't impress you - your negativity is blinding you to one of the best stories of the 2017-18 season.
If you don't assume any improvement over the off-season, and merely assume that Jo works 20 minutes per game at roughly the same productivity as 2017-18, she projects out to about 8-10 ppg, 2 bpg, and 6 rpg. That's what the stats say. Is there anyone in this state that wouldn't be satisfied with that sort of stat line?
The film says that she can play. The stats say that she can play. Coach says that she can play. I don't feel any "cognitive dissonance" in my head.
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Post by lotrader on Aug 20, 2018 8:57:37 GMT -8
Jo will have to make Herculean strides during the off season to be a contributor on the 2018-19 WBB Team. Last season she had hands of stone. And her footwork was marginal at best. Not saying she won't make significant strides, and I hope she does. Watching her play live last year, she stood out like a sore thumb with our own talented team, and, also against all PAC12 opponents. The good news is that she will likely get some significant minutes early in the season, and that could help. Given she has one season remaining, it may be a difficult decision to have her as a starter if either of the 2 x freshman BIGs show quicker progress. In any case, I hope Jo does improve dramatically this year.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 10:41:29 GMT -8
I've watched that video three times. So Jo had a positive +/-, against a WNBA second-round draft pick and a NCAA #3-seed team, on the road. And the film shows how - her footwork has improved dramatically over the season. I'm sorry that doesn't impress you - your negativity is blinding you to one of the best stories of the 2017-18 season. If you don't assume any improvement over the off-season, and merely assume that Jo works 20 minutes per game at roughly the same productivity as 2017-18, she projects out to about 8-10 ppg, 2 bpg, and 6 rpg. That's what the stats say. Is there anyone in this state that wouldn't be satisfied with that sort of stat line? The film says that she can play. The stats say that she can play. Coach says that she can play. I don't feel any "cognitive dissonance" in my head. No doubt those stats are possible for Grymek, but you focus on the stats that are potentially positive solely due to her height. You discount poor "distracted" defense like she showed vs Russell, fumbled passes and turnovers, poor shooting. The negatives outweigh the positives. How many times during the season did players decide NOT to throw a pass to her when she was wide open under the basket because they thought she'd fumble it? When PM and AA get acclimated, their height will also grant them the same positives that you mention, since some rebounds, blocks, and a few gimme points are almost inevitable given sufficient height when playing the post position. But their negatives won't be nearly as bad due to their innately superior physical skills. So when we're talking about who will get playing time, it'll be PM and AA. PM > JG and AA > JG. It's that simple. Some advantages of height are shared, but other advantages that PM and AA have are theirs alone. And as lotrader says above, we all hope that JG makes great progress and can contribute this year, but a betting man would not place bets on big improvements from a senior player who has already had 3 years of JC and D1 play to overcome her limitations over the course of one off season. Yes, "the stats say that she can play" might be true against some easy opponents if we had no alternative, but a couple alternatives appear to have already arrived on campus. PS: Someone mentioned to me that he doesn't recall Grymek EVER dribbling during a game. Not one bounce. Ever. Can you tell me he's wrong? |
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Post by rmancarl on Aug 20, 2018 11:29:28 GMT -8
thickhead, I can confirm that he is wrong. There was one game late in the season where Grymek did indeed bounce the ball once (it may have been the only time, but it did happen). I can't remember which game it was, but it was in one of the close games (UCLA or Arizona State most likely). I know because I've re-watched a few of the games several times lately. There was full court pressure against the Beavs. Jo was thrown the ball in the backcourt while under pressure twice in that game. Once (maybe both times) it resulted in a 10 second violation. I believe it was on the second occasion that she bounced the ball once, took a step forward, and immediately picked the ball up. I can see the play clearly in my head, but I can't see who the other team was. Now I'm going to have to go watch those games again so this won't drive me crazy. Thanks a lot!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 11:42:45 GMT -8
thickhead, I can confirm that he is wrong. There was one game late in the season where Grymek did indeed bounce the ball once (it may have been the only time, but it did happen). I can't remember which game it was, but it was in one of the close games (UCLA or Arizona State most likely). I know because I've re-watched a few of the games several times lately. There was full court pressure against the Beavs. Jo was thrown the ball in the backcourt while under pressure twice in that game. Once (maybe both times) it resulted in a 10 second violation. I believe it was on the second occasion that she bounced the ball once, took a step forward, and immediately picked the ball up. I can see the play clearly in my head, but I can't see who the other team was. Now I'm going to have to go watch those games again so this won't drive me crazy. Thanks a lot! I'll have to inform my informant that he missed her one (and perhaps only) bounce. He did recall one time when she had the ball in the backcourt and seemed unwilling/unable to dribble it when she had no one to pass to, and that unwillingness to dribble made an impression on him. Thanks. |
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Post by beavsteve on Aug 20, 2018 11:42:50 GMT -8
thickhead, I can confirm that he is wrong. There was one game late in the season where Grymek did indeed bounce the ball once (it may have been the only time, but it did happen). I can't remember which game it was, but it was in one of the close games (UCLA or Arizona State most likely). I know because I've re-watched a few of the games several times lately. There was full court pressure against the Beavs. Jo was thrown the ball in the backcourt while under pressure twice in that game. Once (maybe both times) it resulted in a 10 second violation. I believe it was on the second occasion that she bounced the ball once, took a step forward, and immediately picked the ball up. I can see the play clearly in my head, but I can't see who the other team was. Now I'm going to have to go watch those games again so this won't drive me crazy. Thanks a lot! If you saw it in the video, it must have happened. My recollection of it was that she did not dribble because as I watched it I was thinking "dribble!! dribble!!" and I just knew it was going to be a violation. While she may have dribbled once, that episode clearly showed how reluctant (and downright afraid) to dribble she is. While no one wants to see a big center put the ball on the floor in the paint, there are other occasions like that time in the backcourt where having some ability matters! |
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Post by baseba1111 on Aug 20, 2018 12:03:25 GMT -8
thickhead, I can confirm that he is wrong. There was one game late in the season where Grymek did indeed bounce the ball once (it may have been the only time, but it did happen). I can't remember which game it was, but it was in one of the close games (UCLA or Arizona State most likely). I know because I've re-watched a few of the games several times lately. There was full court pressure against the Beavs. Jo was thrown the ball in the backcourt while under pressure twice in that game. Once (maybe both times) it resulted in a 10 second violation. I believe it was on the second occasion that she bounced the ball once, took a step forward, and immediately picked the ball up. I can see the play clearly in my head, but I can't see who the other team was. Now I'm going to have to go watch those games again so this won't drive me crazy. Thanks a lot! If you saw it in the video, it must have happened. My recollection of it was that she did not dribble because as I watched it I was thinking "dribble!! dribble!!" and I just knew it was going to be a violation. While she may have dribbled once, that episode clearly showed how reluctant (and downright afraid) to dribble she is. While no one wants to see a big center put the ball on the floor in the paint, there are other occasions like that time in the backcourt where having some ability matters! She could have just dropped it and picked it up!? Ha... from other comments here couldn't resist 😉 |
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Post by rmancarl on Aug 20, 2018 18:46:21 GMT -8
beavsteve, there were two plays that were almost identical in the same game. Jo did not know what to do with the ball. It was a tough position to put her in. One of the plays she did not dribble, in the other one she bounced the ball once and picked it up. I'm going to run this down because now I as so curious which game that was. Do you remember?
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Post by beavsteve on Aug 20, 2018 18:58:20 GMT -8
beavsteve, there were two plays that were almost identical in the same game. Jo did not know what to do with the ball. It was a tough position to put her in. One of the plays she did not dribble, in the other one she bounced the ball once and picked it up. I'm going to run this down becuase now I as so curious which game that was. Do you remember? Sorry, but I can't remember which game it was either. |
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Post by markwbeaver on Aug 20, 2018 20:43:04 GMT -8
Not positive, but think it might well have been the home win over UCLA.
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Post by rmancarl on Aug 20, 2018 21:15:21 GMT -8
Jo dribbles the ball (one bounce) with 40 seconds left in the first half at home versus UCLA, You are correct markwbeaver. MP saves the day by taking the ball from Jo and gets across the line before the 10 seconds run out. The earlier play with 3:55 left in half Jo did not dribble and the play resulted in a 10 second violation as Jo couldn't get a pass off to anyone in time to beat the clock.
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