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Post by damnstraight on Aug 7, 2018 15:08:57 GMT -8
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Post by rafer on Aug 7, 2018 15:30:07 GMT -8
Excellent article. And yet there are those that WANT this to be true. And who holds the O accountable for life??
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Post by atownbeaver on Aug 8, 2018 7:04:19 GMT -8
Excellent article. And yet there are those that WANT this to be true. And who holds the O accountable for life?? "In one of those cases, a Washington appeals court found that Luke’s prosecutor, John Neeb, committed multiple episodes of ‘flagrant and ill-intentioned’ prosecutorial misconduct. This is the man who decided an accusation by a woman who had just lost custody of her children was a valid basis for wrecking the lives of the family she blamed for it." That is an incredibly powerful accusation and statement... And, as the post mentioned, and incredibly lacking of journalistic integrity to fail to dig into the case. There was a HUGE story here... the Little O went for the low hanging fruit. |
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Post by bigorangebeaver on Aug 12, 2018 14:00:46 GMT -8
Hello. I personally know the author of this site ( justiceforluke.com) and spoke with her yesterday for the first time in a few months. I did not know that she was pursuing this story, but am glad she is. She is a person of high integrity and character--I have known her for over 40 years and can personally attest to this. She presents a compelling case for Luke Heimlich. I am hopeful that one day there will be justice in this case. |
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Post by 56chevy on Aug 12, 2018 20:01:01 GMT -8
What would justice be? A negligence or libelous Court verdict and award of substantial monetary damages against the Oregonian?
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 12, 2018 20:15:03 GMT -8
What would justice be? A negligence or libelous Court verdict and award of substantial monetary damages against the Oregonian? In many people’s minds, yes. Exactly. |
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Post by mbabeav on Aug 13, 2018 9:16:37 GMT -8
What would justice be? A negligence or libelous Court verdict and award of substantial monetary damages against the Oregonian? In many people’s minds, yes. Exactly. In the end you make "martyrs" out of the journalists and they won't lose in a case like this and the cluster turns into book deals and moving up the pyramid till they are the old sage talking heads that networks bring out to show the "brave face" of fair and balanced journalism. It is super difficult to make any law suit stick on a journalist, especially in a mess like this. |
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Post by grackle on Aug 13, 2018 10:07:42 GMT -8
Would love to see the whole slimy oregonian operation banned from the OSU campus. At least until an official apology is issued.
All that goes quadruple for Canzano -- easily the most sanctimonious, amoral slime bag in this whole mess.
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Post by Snafu on Aug 13, 2018 11:58:31 GMT -8
Never pick a fight with someone that buys ink by the barrel...
...or something like that.
I agree that no matter how much truth is in the real story about what happened to LH, the big zero will dig it's teeth in and will not relent on their position.
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Post by jdogge on Aug 13, 2018 12:21:46 GMT -8
What would justice be? A negligence or libelous Court verdict and award of substantial monetary damages against the Oregonian? As long as the reporting was accurate, he has no case in court. One must prove that what was written was untrue. It wasn't. End of story. |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Aug 13, 2018 12:30:38 GMT -8
Never pick a fight with someone that buys ink by the barrel... ...or something like that. I agree that no matter how much truth is in the real story about what happened to LH, the big zero will dig it's teeth in and will not relent on their position. Never wrestle with a pig? You get muddy, and the pig just enjoys it..... The little o got what they wanted out of the deal - public attention on something they wrote (journalistic ethics and standards aside). The authors have moved on to their next target/attack/victim/smear job/Pulitzer chase. LH got his livelihood ruined (not to speak about being locked out from his passion). The victim also likely hurt by this public discourse. While I greatly admire the web site speaking of the Ethics violations, and applaud the well constructed arguments laid out there, I am not sure it will substantively alter the dialog - and that makes me sad. Not sure banning a media outlet from campus will play well, regardless of good reason. Go Beavers! |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 13, 2018 12:46:10 GMT -8
What would justice be? A negligence or libelous Court verdict and award of substantial monetary damages against the Oregonian? As long as the reporting was accurate, he has no case in court. One must prove that what was written was untrue. It wasn't. End of story. And even if he had a case in court, he would have had to request a retraction and they would have had to refuse the retraction, in order to stand any real chance. And then any lawsuit would have to beat the First Amendment protection provided to a newspaper. Journalists are largely a brood of vipers. And they are allowed to behave in that manner with the full protection of the First Amendment. What happened....happened. There is no changing it. Finally, from a 30,000-foot perspective, the Oregonian did Oregon State fans a tremendous favor by outing Luke Heimlich. I am very unsure that Oregon State would have finished as the #3 overall seed with Heimlich. All this wailing and gnashing of teeth for what? Adley Rutschman was the MVP of the College World Series. Danny Moran was the co-MVP. Don't like what happened to Heimlich? Send the trophy to Fayetteville. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 13, 2018 12:49:29 GMT -8
Never pick a fight with someone that buys ink by the barrel... ...or something like that. I agree that no matter how much truth is in the real story about what happened to LH, the big zero will dig it's teeth in and will not relent on their position. Never wrestle with a pig? You get muddy, and the pig just enjoys it..... The little o got what they wanted out of the deal - public attention on something they wrote (journalistic ethics and standards aside). The authors have moved on to their next target/attack/victim/smear job/Pulitzer chase. LH got his livelihood ruined (not to speak about being locked out from his passion). The victim also likely hurt by this public discourse. While I greatly admire the web site speaking of the Ethics violations, and applaud the well constructed arguments laid out there, I am not sure it will substantively alter the dialog - and that makes me sad. Not sure banning a media outlet from campus will play well, regardless of good reason.Go Beavers! Great point about banning a media outlet. That would be cutting off your nose to spite your face. "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about."--Oscar Wilde. |
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Post by beaverstever on Aug 13, 2018 12:58:03 GMT -8
While I doubt much can be done for Heimlich specifically that would repair much if anything, it doesn't make it less of a worthwhile endeavor. Many lives have been ruined by false accusations - changes that make it harder to do so by someone who is vindictive enough to try it are a worthy endeavor of the pursuit. The author here has put herself in legal harm's way to this end, so I hope her goals go well beyond vindicating Luke specifically.
None of us are beyond the reach of false accusations.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 13, 2018 14:11:06 GMT -8
As long as the reporting was accurate, he has no case in court. One must prove that what was written was untrue. It wasn't. End of story.
The original story said he was convicted of felony child abuse. He was not, as juveniles cannot be "convicted" of any crime in the state of Washington, much less a felony. Juvenile crimes are adjudicated. Big difference.
The Oregonian could not even get the cornerstone fact of the case right.
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