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Post by chinmusic on Jul 20, 2018 11:56:03 GMT -8
is anybody's guess but Baseball America doesn't think it will be very long. In their latest Top-100 MLB prospects ranking, he's #33 and more importantly, the 3rd best prospect in the White Sox Organization.
Only OF Eloy Jiminez and RHP Michael Kopech are ranked ahead of him in the ChiSox system. That looks like "fast track" to me.
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Post by giantkillers83 on Jul 21, 2018 18:15:41 GMT -8
Ehh. If he stays healthy.... maybe after next year.... ChiSox need help.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 19:07:08 GMT -8
Last thing the Woesox want is their young stallion caged up with not-ready-for-prime-time players inhabiting realms of lower farm teams.
Unless he is rehabbing something expect to see Nick at Charlotte real soon and if he shows his knack there it wouldn't be crazy to see him activated immediately.
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Post by beavadelic on Jul 22, 2018 19:15:29 GMT -8
Last thing the Woesox want is their young stallion caged up with not-ready-for-prime-time players inhabiting realms of lower farm teams. Unless he is rehabbing something expect to see Nick at Charlotte real soon and if he shows his knack there it wouldn't be crazy to see him activated immediately. I’ve heard that most of the players selected in the first couple of rounds actually have a clause in their rookie contract that guarantees that they’ll get to spend some time on the 40 man roster in September. I don’t know much about the Chisox personnel this year, but as good as Nick is, he might not ever go back down after he gets there. |
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Post by kersting13 on Jul 23, 2018 7:54:48 GMT -8
Last thing the Woesox want is their young stallion caged up with not-ready-for-prime-time players inhabiting realms of lower farm teams. Unless he is rehabbing something expect to see Nick at Charlotte real soon and if he shows his knack there it wouldn't be crazy to see him activated immediately. I’ve heard that most of the players selected in the first couple of rounds actually have a clause in their rookie contract that guarantees that they’ll get to spend some time on the 40 man roster in September. I don’t know much about the Chisox personnel this year, but as good as Nick is, he might not ever go back down after he gets there. If that's the case, then it's a new thing. I haven't seen any 1st round draft picks over the last couple of years get premature spots on the 40 man roster. A few years ago, they used to be able to sign "Major League" contracts straight out of the draft. That basically put them on the 40 to start off with, but it's been at least a couple of years since that has been allowed. The last one I specifially remember was Yonder Alonso back in 2008. |
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Post by nabeav on Jul 23, 2018 10:20:30 GMT -8
Last year, the only college playing middle infielder to be drafted in the first round was Keston Hiura of UC-Irvine, selected 9th by the Milwaukee Brewers. He batted .371 with 4 homers in 42 games between rookie and A ball last summer. This season he started at high A ball, hitting .320 with 7 homers in 50 games before being promoted to AA, where he's hit .280 with 3 homers in 37 games for Biloxi. No player from the first round of the 2017 draft has played in the majors yet.
The only player from the 2016 first round to make the majors is Eric Lauer, a pitcher from Kent State.
The 2015 class features a few good comparisons in Dansby Swanson and Alex Bregman, SS's from Vanderbilt and LSU respectively.
Swanson made his debut in August 2016 and has been the starting SS for the Atlanta Braves ever since. Swanson played a total of 139 minor league games, slashing .276/.367/.429 combined.
Bregman made his debut a few weeks earlier in July 2016. He has been the starting 3B for the Astros pretty much since then, making the All Star game this year. Bregman played 146 minor league games, slashing .300/.388/.493 combined.
Both Swanson and Bregman skipped rookie ball altogether, with Swanson spending 22 games with the Braves short season A team his first summer and starting at high-A in 2016. Bregman went straight to full season A-ball and moving up to advanced A-ball after that his first season.
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Post by mbabeav on Jul 23, 2018 10:22:55 GMT -8
I’ve heard that most of the players selected in the first couple of rounds actually have a clause in their rookie contract that guarantees that they’ll get to spend some time on the 40 man roster in September. I don’t know much about the Chisox personnel this year, but as good as Nick is, he might not ever go back down after he gets there. If that's the case, then it's a new thing. I haven't seen any 1st round draft picks over the last couple of years get premature spots on the 40 man roster. A few years ago, they used to be able to sign "Major League" contracts straight out of the draft. That basically put them on the 40 to start off with, but it's been at least a couple of years since that has been allowed. The last one I specifially remember was Yonder Alonso back in 2008. IMO, for Nick to have a shot at the 40 man, they need to move him up to AA ball soon - he performs well there, he will jump right over AAA for the month of Sept. Sox need a draw to bring a few fans in the last month, and people will come out to see the next "future star" even if the team is not doing well. |
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Post by kersting13 on Jul 23, 2018 10:54:11 GMT -8
If that's the case, then it's a new thing. I haven't seen any 1st round draft picks over the last couple of years get premature spots on the 40 man roster. A few years ago, they used to be able to sign "Major League" contracts straight out of the draft. That basically put them on the 40 to start off with, but it's been at least a couple of years since that has been allowed. The last one I specifially remember was Yonder Alonso back in 2008. IMO, for Nick to have a shot at the 40 man, they need to move him up to AA ball soon - he performs well there, he will jump right over AAA for the month of Sept. Sox need a draw to bring a few fans in the last month, and people will come out to see the next "future star" even if the team is not doing well. I'd be majorly surprised if Madrigal gets to MLB this year. Typically, the only guys who make it to MLB in their draft year are maybe relief pitchers. The last guy to do this that I remember was Brandon Finnegan who pitched some in the 2014 World Series with the Royals in his draft year, along with 7 regular season appearances. I'm probably forgetting someone. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jul 23, 2018 11:00:01 GMT -8
IMO, for Nick to have a shot at the 40 man, they need to move him up to AA ball soon - he performs well there, he will jump right over AAA for the month of Sept. Sox need a draw to bring a few fans in the last month, and people will come out to see the next "future star" even if the team is not doing well. I'd be majorly surprised if Madrigal gets to MLB this year. Typically, the only guys who make it to MLB in their draft year are maybe relief pitchers. The last guy to do this that I remember was Brandon Finnegan who pitched some in the 2014 World Series with the Royals in his draft year, along with 7 regular season appearances. I'm probably forgetting someone. I understand the 'orange goggles', but there is getting to the MLB club and actually being MLB ready. The former says more about the team than the player. Nick is doing just fine and there is no rush. Teams want their top prospects to mature and "stick", not play "yo-yo" with them. And, as the Astros showed in a rebuild, letting numerous youngsters mature and be brought along around the same time pays far greater dividends than bringing along a single guy too soon/and singularly. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 23, 2018 11:22:31 GMT -8
There is absolutely no point to put him on the 40-man now. He's almost certainly not going to Chicago before Sept., 2019 at the very earliest. He's not eligible for selection in the Rule 5 draft.
If they put him on the 40-man, somebody must be dropped. That would require the needless use of an option, a possible DFA and loss of that player to waivers, etc.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 23, 2018 14:48:00 GMT -8
There is absolutely no point to put him on the 40-man now. He's almost certainly not going to Chicago before Sept., 2019 at the very earliest. He's not eligible for selection in the Rule 5 draft. If they put him on the 40-man, somebody must be dropped. That would require the needless use of an option, a possible DFA and loss of that player to waivers, etc. I would be surprised if Nick made it up before sometime in 2020. The other factor that hasn't been mentioned is that a lot of these high prospects are held back from being moved up earlier due to the control factor for the team. For example, Kris Bryant's debut was put off for a couple of months into the season, so that the Cubs would have control over him for another year prior to free agency. |
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Post by kersting13 on Jul 23, 2018 20:34:12 GMT -8
I would be surprised if Nick made it up before sometime in 2020. The other factor that hasn't been mentioned is that a lot of these high prospects are held back from being moved up earlier due to the control factor for the team. For example, Kris Bryant's debut was put off for a couple of months into the season, so that the Cubs would have control over him for another year prior to free agency. this sounds like a business and not sport...Huh.. It was a business decision. A VERY sound one. Bryant made his debut in the Cubs 9th game of the 2015 season. By keeping Bryant in the minors for the first 8 games of the year, he becomes a free agent after the 2021 season instead of after the 2020 season. I'd certainly trade 8 games of 2015 Kris Bryant for 162 games of 2021 Kris Bryant. I think the only two people in the world who would be against that decision are Kris Bryant and Scott Boras. SaveSave |
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Post by mbabeav on Jul 24, 2018 8:55:19 GMT -8
There is absolutely no point to put him on the 40-man now. He's almost certainly not going to Chicago before Sept., 2019 at the very earliest. He's not eligible for selection in the Rule 5 draft. If they put him on the 40-man, somebody must be dropped. That would require the needless use of an option, a possible DFA and loss of that player to waivers, etc. I would be surprised if Nick made it up before sometime in 2020. The other factor that hasn't been mentioned is that a lot of these high prospects are held back from being moved up earlier due to the control factor for the team. For example, Kris Bryant's debut was put off for a couple of months into the season, so that the Cubs would have control over him for another year prior to free agency. Being practical, his most likely call up date should his performance continue would be similar to Jacoby and Michael, late enough next season that it doesn't count against his official rookie season, thus extending his rookie contract time. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 24, 2018 9:34:02 GMT -8
I would be surprised if Nick made it up before sometime in 2020. The other factor that hasn't been mentioned is that a lot of these high prospects are held back from being moved up earlier due to the control factor for the team. For example, Kris Bryant's debut was put off for a couple of months into the season, so that the Cubs would have control over him for another year prior to free agency. Being practical, his most likely call up date should his performance continue would be similar to Jacoby and Michael, late enough next season that it doesn't count against his official rookie season, thus extending his rookie contract time. True. He could potentially be a September call-up next year and then they could wait a few games into 2020 to bring him up. We will see if he progresses that quickly. He's definitely off to a good start.
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Post by irimi on Jul 24, 2018 16:18:28 GMT -8
IMO, for Nick to have a shot at the 40 man, they need to move him up to AA ball soon - he performs well there, he will jump right over AAA for the month of Sept. Sox need a draw to bring a few fans in the last month, and people will come out to see the next "future star" even if the team is not doing well. I'd be majorly surprised if Madrigal gets to MLB this year. Typically, the only guys who make it to MLB in their draft year are maybe relief pitchers. The last guy to do this that I remember was Brandon Finnegan who pitched some in the 2014 World Series with the Royals in his draft year, along with 7 regular season appearances. I'm probably forgetting someone. Pretty sure Conforto made it up in September after leaving us in June. |
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