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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 2, 2018 19:00:53 GMT -8
Three championship teams.
It will take some time to assess the ‘18 teams’ accomplishment against the 06 and 07 championships.
The fact that 07 blazed through the CWS with relatively little drama paradoxically sort of diminishes their achievements when viewed against the high drama of 06 and 18. Also the fact that 06 was the first and 18 the most recent, makes 07 the “middle child”. In terms of attention.
I’ll always remember 07 as Darwin and Mitch’s swan songs and the amazing pitching of Stutes, Reyes, Paterson and Kunz. And Lennarton's massive dead centerfield dinger to the backdrop at Rosenblatt.
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Post by 56chevy on Jul 2, 2018 19:30:26 GMT -8
I think you have to give much credit to the 05 and 17 teams for getting us close. The 05 teams accomplishments really took the program to another level. 18 team had the most depth and balance. 06 got timely hitting and monster performances on the mound, plus the defense was outstanding. 07 on paper at least over achieved and was sustained by the heart of a champion.
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Post by mbabeav on Jul 2, 2018 20:50:51 GMT -8
No wind and at least a 440` shot, moooooooooose!
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Post by dK on Jul 2, 2018 23:14:50 GMT -8
Three championship teams. It will take some time to assess the ‘18 teams’ accomplishment against the 06 and 07 championships. The fact that 07 blazed through the CWS with relatively little drama paradoxically sort of diminishes their achievements when viewed against the high drama of 06 and 18. Also the fact that 06 was the first and 18 the most recent, makes 07 the “middle child”. In terms of attention. I’ll always remember 07 as Darwin and Mitch’s swan songs and the amazing pitching of Stutes, Reyes, Paterson and Kunz. And Lennarton's massive dead centerfield dinger to the backdrop at Rosenblatt. I know they blazed through the competition at Rosenblatt, but that was a perilous journey getting there. Lost to UVA and had to beat them twice. As I remember our 1 year center fielder who was not a power hitter smacked a crucial home run in a game to win one of the games against Virginia. Then, by unbelievable luck we got the super because Michigan was remodeling. Michigan's pitcher who was a two way player had a no hitter going into the 9th. Then, Joey Wong who lost his starting job mid season because he wasn't hitting forced a bleeder through the 6 hole to score the only run of the game. 1-0 Beavs. Oh and the left fielder was nursing a rag for an arm and was only in for his offense. Just an unbelievable set of circumstances went our way to win that one. Kind of like this year. We had some really nice conversations with the Michigan head coach in the Goss lot and had a lot of respect for that group.
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Post by beaverdude on Jul 3, 2018 7:35:05 GMT -8
Michigan's pitcher who was a two way player had a no hitter going into the 9th. Then, Joey Wong who lost his starting job mid season because he wasn't hitting forced a bleeder through the 6 hole to score the only run of the game. 1-0 Beavs. Oh and the left fielder was nursing a rag for an arm and was only in for his offense. Just an unbelievable set of circumstances went our way to win that one. Kind of like this year. We had some really nice conversations with the Michigan head coach in the Goss lot and had a lot of respect for that group. We had seats behind home plate (Thanks Tex Winter!) and a gumbo feed courtesy of Papa Stutes. Great view of Wong's single. The Michigan coach and his team were all class. Despite the tough loss they stopped and talked with us. Since they had an extra day they wanted to know how to get to the closest beach. Most of the kids had never seen the ocean before.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 3, 2018 12:52:02 GMT -8
Three championship teams. It will take some time to assess the ‘18 teams’ accomplishment against the 06 and 07 championships. The fact that 07 blazed through the CWS with relatively little drama paradoxically sort of diminishes their achievements when viewed against the high drama of 06 and 18. Also the fact that 06 was the first and 18 the most recent, makes 07 the “middle child”. In terms of attention. I’ll always remember 07 as Darwin and Mitch’s swan songs and the amazing pitching of Stutes, Reyes, Paterson and Kunz. And Lennarton's massive dead centerfield dinger to the backdrop at Rosenblatt. I know they blazed through the competition at Rosenblatt, but that was a perilous journey getting there. Lost to UVA and had to beat them twice. As I remember our 1 year center fielder who was not a power hitter smacked a crucial home run in a game to win one of the games against Virginia. Then, by unbelievable luck we got the super because Michigan was remodeling. Michigan's pitcher who was a two way player had a no hitter going into the 9th. Then, Joey Wong who lost his starting job mid season because he wasn't hitting forced a bleeder through the 6 hole to score the only run of the game. 1-0 Beavs. Oh and the left fielder was nursing a rag for an arm and was only in for his offense. Just an unbelievable set of circumstances went our way to win that one. Kind of like this year. We had some really nice conversations with the Michigan head coach in the Goss lot and had a lot of respect for that group. Tyler Graham graduated in 2006, leaving a hole in centerfield. Casey recruited Chris Hopkins, a junior college transfer from Sienna College, to replace Graham. Entering the Charlottesville Regional, Hopkins had one home run the entire season. In game 2 against Virginia, the Cavaliers went up 3-0 in the fifth. In the sixth, Barney scored on an obstruction call to cut the lead to two. Oregon State still trailed 3-1 into the eighth. Hopkins led off the eighth with a home run to spark a three-run rally that put the Beavers on top 4-3. In the bottom half of the eighth, Hopkins lost a pop up and forced Barney to make a miracle catch to preserve the 4-3 lead. Jordan Lennerton led off with a home run in the top of the ninth for a 5-3 win. Joe Paterson, on two days' rest, pitched 3 2/3 innings of no-hit ball to close the game out for a win. In the Charlottesville Regional finale, Hopkins led off the first with a single and scored on a Mike Lissman double. Darwin Barney scored on an RBI groundout by Jason Ogata to go up 2-0. Virginia immediately responded with a three-run second. In the bottom of the second, Lonnie Lechelt homered to left to tie the game. Jordan Lennerton doubled, Hopkins reach on an error, and Joey Wong singled to load the bases. Barney sacrificed Lennerton home, and Ogata singled home Hopkins for a 5-3 lead. In the sixth, Hopkins singled and Barney and Lissman walked to load the bases. With two outs, Ogata singled home Hopkins and Barney for a 7-3 lead. Joe Paterson pitched the final three innings on zero days' rest, allowing no runs on two hits, Paterson's first save of the season. Paterson would not see another start on the season but picked up the 1-0 win over Michigan in relief. What I remember from 2007 was all of the rain. Tropical Storm Barry hit Charlottesville after the first Virginia game ended and flooded out the games on Sunday to give Oregon State the opportunity to set up its pitchers for the final three games. All of the 15 other Regionals concluded on Monday, but the Beavers and Cavaliers played into Tuesday afternoon. The Beavers were thus the 16th and final team that qualified for the Super Regionals. Oregon State's half of the bracket was slated for a Saturday start, but the first game of the Corvallis Super Regional rained out and started on Sunday, giving Kunz, Paterson, and Stutes a full four days of rest. All of the 7 other Super Regionals concluded on Sunday, but the Beavers and Wolverines played into Monday evening. The Beavers were thus the 8th and final team that qualified for the College World Series. Because of all of the rain, Reyes became the first game starter and Stutes moved to second. Turpen became the third starter. Paterson, who was a Saturday starter, became a reliever. The rest of the story on Hopkins was that he actually played on the 2008 team and was drafted by Toronto in the 24th round. He played three years of minor league ball, rising as high as High A.
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Post by mbabeav on Jul 3, 2018 13:21:36 GMT -8
I know they blazed through the competition at Rosenblatt, but that was a perilous journey getting there. Lost to UVA and had to beat them twice. As I remember our 1 year center fielder who was not a power hitter smacked a crucial home run in a game to win one of the games against Virginia. Then, by unbelievable luck we got the super because Michigan was remodeling. Michigan's pitcher who was a two way player had a no hitter going into the 9th. Then, Joey Wong who lost his starting job mid season because he wasn't hitting forced a bleeder through the 6 hole to score the only run of the game. 1-0 Beavs. Oh and the left fielder was nursing a rag for an arm and was only in for his offense. Just an unbelievable set of circumstances went our way to win that one. Kind of like this year. We had some really nice conversations with the Michigan head coach in the Goss lot and had a lot of respect for that group. Tyler Graham graduated in 2006, leaving a hole in centerfield. Casey recruited Chris Hopkins, a junior college transfer from Sienna College, to replace Graham. Entering the Charlottesville Regional, Hopkins had one home run the entire season. In game 2 against Virginia, the Cavaliers went up 3-0 in the fifth. In the sixth, Barney scored on an obstruction call to cut the lead to two. Oregon State still trailed 3-1 into the eighth. Hopkins led off the eighth with a home run to spark a three-run rally that put the Beavers on top 4-3. In the bottom half of the eighth, Hopkins lost a pop up and forced Barney to make a miracle catch to preserve the 4-3 lead. Jordan Lennerton led off with a home run in the top of the ninth for a 5-3 win. Joe Paterson, on two days' rest, pitched 3 2/3 innings of no-hit ball to close the game out for a win. In the Charlottesville Regional finale, Hopkins led off the first with a single and scored on a Mike Lissman double. Darwin Barney scored on an RBI groundout by Jason Ogata to go up 2-0. Virginia immediately responded with a three-run second. In the bottom of the second, Lonnie Lechelt homered to left to tie the game. Jordan Lennerton doubled, Hopkins reach on an error, and Joey Wong singled to load the bases. Barney sacrificed Lennerton home, and Ogata singled home Hopkins for a 5-3 lead. In the sixth, Hopkins singled and Barney and Lissman walked to load the bases. With two outs, Ogata singled home Hopkins and Barney for a 7-3 lead. Joe Paterson pitched the final three innings on zero days' rest, allowing no runs on two hits, Paterson's first save of the season. Paterson would not see another start on the season but picked up the 1-0 win over Michigan in relief. What I remember from 2007 was all of the rain. Tropical Storm Barry hit Charlottesville after the first Virginia game ended and flooded out the games on Sunday to give Oregon State the opportunity to set up its pitchers for the final three games. All of the 15 other Regionals concluded on Monday, but the Beavers and Cavaliers played into Tuesday afternoon. The Beavers were thus the 16th and final team that qualified for the Super Regionals. Oregon State's half of the bracket was slated for a Saturday start, but the first game of the Corvallis Super Regional rained out and started on Sunday, giving Kunz, Paterson, and Stutes a full four days of rest. All of the 7 other Super Regionals concluded on Sunday, but the Beavers and Wolverines played into Monday evening. The Beavers were thus the 8th and final team that qualified for the College World Series. Because of all of the rain, Reyes became the first game starter and Stutes moved to second. Turpen became the third starter. Paterson, who was a Saturday starter, became a reliever. The rest of the story on Hopkins was that he actually played on the 2008 team and was drafted by Toronto in the 24th round. He played three years of minor league ball, rising as high as High A. Probably asked this before, but does anyone have a link to the video of the Barney miracle catch against the Cavaliers? Every time I hear about it I wish that I hadn't been on the road storm chasing that weekend and not in front of a tv.
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Post by thewizard on Jul 3, 2018 13:30:12 GMT -8
The 2018 Team by far had the most talent of any of the Omaha Teams. Just look at Game 1 this year. We played horrible Defense, could not pitch worth a crap and still almost won the game. We were still in the damn thing in the 8th and 9th inning. Any other team in Omaha this year, would have folded like a cheap suit if they had the first couple of innings the Beavs did. Top to Bottom, this Team was the Best One. This is just my opinion.
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Post by kersting13 on Jul 3, 2018 13:47:46 GMT -8
The 2018 Team by far had the most talent of any of the Omaha Teams. Just look at Game 1 this year. We played horrible Defense, could not pitch worth a crap and still almost won the game. We were still in the damn thing in the 8th and 9th inning. Any other team in Omaha this year, would have folded like a cheap suit if they had the first couple of innings the Beavs did. Top to Bottom, this Team was the Best One. This is just my opinion. You're absolutely correct. Our teams in the past won these things by executing at a high level and feasting on other teams' mistakes. This years team won it in spite of making some glaring mistakes of its own. If this club had performed up to its capabilities, it would have been an '07-like cakewalk.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 3, 2018 15:07:46 GMT -8
The 2018 Team by far had the most talent of any of the Omaha Teams. Just look at Game 1 this year. We played horrible Defense, could not pitch worth a crap and still almost won the game. We were still in the damn thing in the 8th and 9th inning. Any other team in Omaha this year, would have folded like a cheap suit if they had the first couple of innings the Beavs did. Top to Bottom, this Team was the Best One. This is just my opinion. Record: 2006 50-16-0 (.758) 2007 49-18-0 (.731) 2018 55-12-1 (.816)
However, record at Omaha:
2006 6-2 (.750) 2007 5-0 (1.000) 2018 6-2 (.750)
All-time records:
Batting Average: 1997 .327 2018 .321 2005 .316
Runs: 2018 518 1997 504 2006 463
Hits: 2018 753 2006 684 2007 659
2Bs: 2018 151 2007 128 2006 125
3Bs: 2016 32 2006 31 2002 27
HRs: 2018 67 1998 60 2000 58
RBIs: 2018 480 1997 455 2006 412
TBs: 2018 1145 2006 979 2007 953
SLG: 1997 .497 2018 .488 1998 .484
BBs: 1998 337 2018 336 2003 330
Saves: 2018 25
Strikeouts: 2018 596 2017 506 2007 477
BA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB SLG BB HBP SO GIDP OB% SF SH SB/Att PO A E FLD% 2006 .302 2264 463 684 125 31 36 412 979 .432 315 75 401 45 .399 37 72 79/104 1756 741 63 .975 2007 .287 2297 456 659 128 14 46 404 953 .415 328 65 448 45 .387 29 64 76/98 1802 752 59 .977 2018 .321 2345 518 753 151 20 67 480 1145 .488 336 62 438 55 .416 23 66 51/68 1822 637 53 .979
ERA CG SHO SV IP H R ER BB SO 2B 3B HR OBA OSLG OOB% WP HBP BK SFA SHA 2006 3.41 4 8/7 21 585.1 509 261 222 237 461 99 12 35 .236 .342 .330 33 75 8 15 31 2007 3.48 0 6/6 20 600.2 542 253 232 193 477 83 12 34 .243 .337 .322 30 74 7 16 43 2018 3.27 2 8/6 25 607.1 493 250 221 221 596 81 6 38 .225 .319 .315 37 74 3 15 47
2018 owns all of the gaudy offensive statistics: BA, R, H, 2B, HR, RBI, TB, SLG, BB, OB%. 2018 also owns the defensive statistics: POs, fewest E's, best opposing stealing percentage, fewest passed balls, and FLD%. 2018 also owns all of the gaudy pitching statisics: ERA, fewer H's, fewer R's, fewer ERs, SOs, and OBA. 2018 also led in categories like most pickoffs. 2018 is the best team of the three in the majority of offensive, defensive, and pitching statistics.
Things you can point to on the other teams? 2006 appears to have had more team speed, more triples and more steals. 2006 also was not afraid to step in front of a pitch. 2006 was also more disciplined, fewer stikeouts and double plays. 2006 also laid down more successful bunts and drove in more runners on sacrifice flies. 2006 also had the fewest number of runners picked off. The statistics bear out that 2018 generally had better hitters, but the 2006 was better at generating something out of nothing, getting on base on non-hits, not wasting runners, and moving runners station-to-station.
2006 had the most complete games but fewer complete game shutouts. The difference in 2006 and 2018 was 12 innings and one earned run, so the results were comparable.
2007 also had good team speed, the best stealing percentage of the three teams. 2006 had better hitters and pitching than 2007, and 2007 had better fielding.
Having said that, the 2007 pitchers were better at keeping the opposing teams off the basepaths with the smallest OOB%-OBA difference and the fewest number of walks. The 2007 pitchers also had the fewest number of wild pitches. The 2007 team also was the best at eliminating runners with the most double plays. (2006 was also better than 2018 at turning double plays.) The result is that, although the 2007 pitching staff was the most likely to get into trouble, it was also the most likely to limit the damage.
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Post by bennyskid on Jul 3, 2018 15:31:34 GMT -8
Keep in mind, the 2018 team put up those offensive numbers with much less lively bats. In 1999, the NCAA switched to bats that were meant to mimic wood bats, making the game much more akin to MLB. But the Fresno State championship in 2008 brought a bit of carping about "rolling" bats, and it became clear that the bats got livelier with use. In 2011, new standards came into the game and offense went way, way down.
Then what every observer thought was a sure home run at TD Ameritrade fell a few feet short, costing a very good team what would have been a dramatic victory and a place in the CWS finals. The general belief was that the game had gone too far in the defensive direction. The response was to switch to the low-seam balls that the MLB uses.
So comparing stats from year to year is misleading. Hitting was more challenging by far in 2012, and it was significantly more challenging in 2018 than in 2006-7. Which means that the 2018 team is MUCH the best hitting team ever - with the possible exception of Mr. Conforto's team. Conversely, it isn't clear which team had the best pitching - 2018 looks good on paper, but bats were livelier in 2006-7.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 17, 2018 17:42:55 GMT -8
Keep in mind, the 2018 team put up those offensive numbers with much less lively bats. In 1999, the NCAA switched to bats that were meant to mimic wood bats, making the game much more akin to MLB. But the Fresno State championship in 2008 brought a bit of carping about "rolling" bats, and it became clear that the bats got livelier with use. In 2011, new standards came into the game and offense went way, way down. Then what every observer thought was a sure home run at TD Ameritrade fell a few feet short, costing a very good team what would have been a dramatic victory and a place in the CWS finals. The general belief was that the game had gone too far in the defensive direction. The response was to switch to the low-seam balls that the MLB uses. So comparing stats from year to year is misleading. Hitting was more challenging by far in 2012, and it was significantly more challenging in 2018 than in 2006-7. Which means that the 2018 team is MUCH the best hitting team ever - with the possible exception of Mr. Conforto's team. Conversely, it isn't clear which team had the best pitching - 2018 looks good on paper, but bats were livelier in 2006-7. Looking at trends, the national batting average was .291 in 2006 and 2007 and was .270 in 2018. Runs/game was 6.15 in 2006, 6.10 in 2007, and 5.61 in 2018. (The 2018 number is down from 2017 but up from 2011-2016.) Home runs/game was 0.68 in both 2006 and 2007. That number actually spiked up to 0.71 in 2018. (That number is down from 2017 but is up from 2011-2016.) The average ERA was 5.14 and 5.12 in 2006 and 2007, respectively. The national ERA was 4.88 in 2018. (Once again, that number is down from 2017 but up from 2011-2016.) Strikeouts/9 innings was 6.62 in 2006 and 6.63 in 2007. That number has skyrocketed to an all-time high 7.89 strikeouts/9 innings in 2018. The average hitter was 7% less likely to get a hit in 2018 than in 2006-2007, but 4% more likely to hit a home run. There were 9% fewer runs in 2018 than in 2006-2007 but only 5% fewer earned runs. Having said that, the average hitter was 19% more likely to strikeout in 2018 than in 2006-2007. If I weight the three sets of statistics, using 2007's numbers as a baseline: ERA IP H R ER SO HR OBA 2006 3.40 585.1 509 259 221 462 35 .236 2007 3.48 600.2 542 253 232 477 34 .243 2018 3.42 607.1 531 272 231 501 37 .243 2006's numbers, when weighted, are a bit more impressive than 2018's numbers in pretty much every category other than strikeouts. 2018's strikeout numbers are high, even considering the general increase in strikeouts between 2006 and 2018. Also, even factoring in that home runs were up in 2018, 2018's home run numbers were the highest. 2007 gave up the fewest home runs, weighted or not.
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Post by giantkillers83 on Jul 17, 2018 18:14:10 GMT -8
Can’t argue with any team that wins a CWS... they are all special. I’m not going to post long...... I love them all. This team..... 2016-2018..... is special in my book. And I’ve seen them all. I specifically have gone to Omaha last couple years... because I wanted to see them play. Especially this year since it was the last year.
Numbers can be thrown out to see. Just for me, this team, this group, transcended any numbers... and they had numbers of their own. Very glad to have seen it.
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Post by vhalum92 on Jul 18, 2018 13:27:28 GMT -8
Speaking of other teams mistakes... anyone see Voto in the MLB allstar game drop the fly ball in foul territory? The the Mariner dude went yard!
I was watching Sportscenter hoping they would flashback to the end of game 2... but no mention.
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Post by grackle on Jul 19, 2018 7:12:39 GMT -8
Amen to Michigan's classy '07 team. Their coach (forget his name) stopped and talked to our tailgater before the game...said he was disappointed that they weren't playing at home, but was glad his kids had a chance to see a different part of the country. Talked to several players as well...all were well spoken and courteous.
Overall one of the finest groups I've seen pass through Goss over the years.
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