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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 12:32:28 GMT -8
I wonder what the lamentations would be on this board if the arkies catch that foul ball?
I know mine would be why didn't we pull Luke in game 1 after he plunked the first guy and before they scored more runs?
Then somebody would say we didn't have anyone warming up etc.
As good as this 2018 team was it's hard to believe how narrow that escape was.
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Post by seastape on Jul 2, 2018 13:35:55 GMT -8
I wonder what the lamentations would be on this board if the arkies catch that foul ball? I know mine would be why didn't we pull Luke in game 1 after he plunked the first guy and before they scored more runs? Then somebody would say we didn't have anyone warming up etc. As good as this 2018 team was it's hard to believe how narrow that escape was. It was a narrow escape and a huge error, but sometimes errors are made earlier and sometimes they are made later. Arkansas' came later and was thus more glaring. That's just the way baseball goes.
We might have had some lamentations, but I think in general we would have thought we played tough but it just didn't go our way.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 2, 2018 13:54:18 GMT -8
I wonder what the lamentations would be on this board if the arkies catch that foul ball? I know mine would be why didn't we pull Luke in game 1 after he plunked the first guy and before they scored more runs? Then somebody would say we didn't have anyone warming up etc. As good as this 2018 team was it's hard to believe how narrow that escape was. How about having Heimlich throw 124 pitches on five days' rest in an 8-1 rout in the Corvallis Super Regional with a bullpen filled with fresh arms, leaving Heimlich gassed for the College World Series in the first place?
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Post by kersting13 on Jul 2, 2018 13:54:26 GMT -8
I wonder what the lamentations would be on this board if the arkies catch that foul ball? I know mine would be why didn't we pull Luke in game 1 after he plunked the first guy and before they scored more runs? Then somebody would say we didn't have anyone warming up etc. As good as this 2018 team was it's hard to believe how narrow that escape was. We would have looked back on the unearned runs, the interference call on the double play, and our pitchers giving up walks and hit batters, vs our team out-hitting Arkansas in each of the first two games. If that foul is caught, OSU would have still outhit Arkansas 19-12 in the 2 games. The double play and wiping the run off the board in game 1 was akin to the Kwan "foul ball" in game 1 2017. The call going our way would have been a major swing in our fortunes, and a major hit to the opponent.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jul 2, 2018 13:59:23 GMT -8
I wonder what the lamentations would be on this board if the arkies catch that foul ball? I know mine would be why didn't we pull Luke in game 1 after he plunked the first guy and before they scored more runs? Then somebody would say we didn't have anyone warming up etc. As good as this 2018 team was it's hard to believe how narrow that escape was. How about having Heimlich throw 124 pitches on five days' rest in an 8-1 rout in the Corvallis Super Regional with a bullpen filled with fresh arms, leaving Heimlich gassed for the College World Series in the first place? Nobody has really talked about it, but the dud LH laid in the CWS is a very perplexing thing. I can't believe it was pressure, or the setting. LH has been in a pressure cooker and eyes on him for a year now. Regionals and Super Regionals were pressure situations. Fehmel wasn't any better quite frankly.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jul 2, 2018 14:01:04 GMT -8
I wonder what the lamentations would be on this board if the arkies catch that foul ball? I know mine would be why didn't we pull Luke in game 1 after he plunked the first guy and before they scored more runs? Then somebody would say we didn't have anyone warming up etc. As good as this 2018 team was it's hard to believe how narrow that escape was. We would have looked back on the unearned runs, the interference call on the double play, and our pitchers giving up walks and hit batters, vs our team out-hitting Arkansas in each of the first two games. If that foul is caught, OSU would have still outhit Arkansas 19-12 in the 2 games. The double play and wiping the run off the board in game 1 was akin to the Kwan "foul ball" in game 1 2017. The call going our way would have been a major swing in our fortunes, and a major hit to the opponent. And that is the thing. Usually there is always something out there that has the potential to make or break a game depending on how it goes. particularly close games between quality clubs. The foul ball drop was just he last, and the obvious one even the most naive of baseball fan can notice.
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Post by mbabeav on Jul 2, 2018 14:09:39 GMT -8
And the foul ball miss doesn't really end up meaning much unless the batter can take his second chance and make something of it.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 2, 2018 14:25:19 GMT -8
How about having Heimlich throw 124 pitches on five days' rest in an 8-1 rout in the Corvallis Super Regional with a bullpen filled with fresh arms, leaving Heimlich gassed for the College World Series in the first place? Nobody has really talked about it, but the dud LH laid in the CWS is a very perplexing thing. I can't believe it was pressure, or the setting. LH has been in a pressure cooker and eyes on him for a year now. Regionals and Super Regionals were pressure situations. Fehmel wasn't any better quite frankly. Looking back, on May 12th, Fehm threw 8 innings of three-hit shutout ball against #2 Stanford with 4 strikeouts and a walk all in 98 pitches. The win clinched the series against the Cardinal. Every start after that was a little worse: 8 innings and 1 earned run with 2 strikeouts and a walk in 115 pitches against USC. 6 2/3 innings and 1 earned run with 5 strikeouts and four walks in 107 pitches against UCLA. 7 2/3 innings and 3 runs (2 earned) with 9 strikeout and a walk in 103 pitches against Northwestern State. 6 innings and 3 earned runs with 6 strikeouts and 3 walks in 101 pitches against Minnesota. After that, Fehm looked gassed. Too many pitches. Both Heimlich and Fehm could have done with an extra game off somewhere in there, just to get them back to 100%, because neither looked 100% in Omaha. I remember thinking that starting Fehm against Washington was a blunder before it happened, as was starting Fehm in game 1 against Mississippi State. There was no 34 days in the bullpen to get Fehm right, like in 2017, so he just stayed off. Retrospectively, Oregon State had so many quality arms that not getting Fehm and Heimlich some rest seems like quite the blunder. The Heimlich on three days' rest fiasco against North Carolina almost cost the Beavers the Championship. The way I look at the whole thing is that Heimlich and Fehm put Oregon State in position to win, and Abel, Chamberlain, and Eisert were the ones healthy enough to pitch the Beavers to a Championship.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 14:55:48 GMT -8
Nobody has really talked about it, but the dud LH laid in the CWS is a very perplexing thing. I can't believe it was pressure, or the setting. LH has been in a pressure cooker and eyes on him for a year now. Regionals and Super Regionals were pressure situations. Fehmel wasn't any better quite frankly. Looking back, on May 12th, Fehm threw 8 innings of three-hit shutout ball against #2 Stanford with 4 strikeouts and a walk all in 98 pitches. The win clinched the series against the Cardinal. Every start after that was a little worse: 8 innings and 1 earned run with 2 strikeouts and a walk in 115 pitches against USC. 6 2/3 innings and 1 earned run with 5 strikeouts and four walks in 107 pitches against UCLA. 7 2/3 innings and 3 runs (2 earned) with 9 strikeout and a walk in 103 pitches against Northwestern State. 6 innings and 3 earned runs with 6 strikeouts and 3 walks in 101 pitches against Minnesota. After that, Fehm looked gassed. Too many pitches. Both Heimlich and Fehm could have done with an extra game off somewhere in there, just to get them back to 100%, because neither looked 100% in Omaha. I remember thinking that starting Fehm against Washington was a blunder before it happened, as was starting Fehm in game 1 against Mississippi State. There was no 34 days in the bullpen to get Fehm right, like in 2017, so he just stayed off. Retrospectively, Oregon State had so many quality arms that not getting Fehm and Heimlich some rest seems like quite the blunder. The Heimlich on three days' rest fiasco against North Carolina almost cost the Beavers the Championship. The way I look at the whole thing is that Heimlich and Fehm put Oregon State in position to win, and Abel, Chamberlain, and Eisert were the ones healthy enough to pitch the Beavers to a Championship. So there was an easier way to win this championship? I could have done with a little less stress myself. Who would you have started and when?
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 2, 2018 16:17:28 GMT -8
I wonder what the lamentations would be on this board if the arkies catch that foul ball? I know mine would be why didn't we pull Luke in game 1 after he plunked the first guy and before they scored more runs? Then somebody would say we didn't have anyone warming up etc. As good as this 2018 team was it's hard to believe how narrow that escape was. It's an unanswerable question but I feel pretty safe in saying that people would be unhappy. To conjecture over all the different flavors of potential unhappiness seems a strange place to spend one's time. On the other hand, we've got to talk about something so no harm - no foul.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 2, 2018 18:29:55 GMT -8
"Don't look back. Something might be gaining on you."
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Post by mbabeav on Jul 2, 2018 20:54:30 GMT -8
"Don't look back. Something might be gaining on you." Satchel Paige, maybe the greatest pitcher ever,, if not the most durable
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 2, 2018 21:57:13 GMT -8
Looking back, on May 12th, Fehm threw 8 innings of three-hit shutout ball against #2 Stanford with 4 strikeouts and a walk all in 98 pitches. The win clinched the series against the Cardinal. Every start after that was a little worse: 8 innings and 1 earned run with 2 strikeouts and a walk in 115 pitches against USC. 6 2/3 innings and 1 earned run with 5 strikeouts and four walks in 107 pitches against UCLA. 7 2/3 innings and 3 runs (2 earned) with 9 strikeout and a walk in 103 pitches against Northwestern State. 6 innings and 3 earned runs with 6 strikeouts and 3 walks in 101 pitches against Minnesota. After that, Fehm looked gassed. Too many pitches. Both Heimlich and Fehm could have done with an extra game off somewhere in there, just to get them back to 100%, because neither looked 100% in Omaha. I remember thinking that starting Fehm against Washington was a blunder before it happened, as was starting Fehm in game 1 against Mississippi State. There was no 34 days in the bullpen to get Fehm right, like in 2017, so he just stayed off. Retrospectively, Oregon State had so many quality arms that not getting Fehm and Heimlich some rest seems like quite the blunder. The Heimlich on three days' rest fiasco against North Carolina almost cost the Beavers the Championship. The way I look at the whole thing is that Heimlich and Fehm put Oregon State in position to win, and Abel, Chamberlain, and Eisert were the ones healthy enough to pitch the Beavers to a Championship. So there was an easier way to win this championship? I could have done with a little less stress myself. Who would you have started and when? I am only talking retrospectively. Idiot that I am, at the time, I thought, yeah, pitch Heimlich on three days' rest. Genius! I thought Fehm was a bad decision to start on Monday for several reasons: (1) it seemed like he had been tailing off his past four starts, (2) he looked rather mediocre against Minnesota, (3) it looked like he could use a 8- or 9-day break, (4) Washington was a bad matchup (he only went 4 1/3 innings in his start in March), and (5) the weather did not seem to favor starting Fehm. I thought that Abel would have been a better starter in the spot. If Abel got into trouble, Fehm could have come in to spell Abel for an inning or two. It would have been nice, if Chamberlain had started the second North Carolina game rather than Heimlich. Heimlich could have started the Friday Mississippi State game, then. And Fehm could have started the Saturday game. The final series would have then been Abel, Heimlich, and Fehm, each with more rest than they otherwise had. Of course, retrospectively, it would have been nice if Chamberlain or Eisert had just started game 1 and picked up the win. Then, Heimlich; Abel; and Fehm, if necessary, could have started the next three games. I will say again that I think that Fehm is better suited for a long relief and spot start sort of a roll, rather than as an everyday starter. It caught up with Fehm last year. It caught up with Fehm this year.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 6:05:57 GMT -8
So there was an easier way to win this championship? I could have done with a little less stress myself. Who would you have started and when? I am only talking retrospectively. Idiot that I am, at the time, I thought, yeah, pitch Heimlich on three days' rest. Genius! I thought Fehm was a bad decision to start on Monday for several reasons: (1) it seemed like he had been tailing off his past four starts, (2) he looked rather mediocre against Minnesota, (3) it looked like he could use a 8- or 9-day break, (4) Washington was a bad matchup (he only went 4 1/3 innings in his start in March), and (5) the weather did not seem to favor starting Fehm. I thought that Abel would have been a better starter in the spot. If Abel got into trouble, Fehm could have come in to spell Abel for an inning or two. It would have been nice, if Chamberlain had started the second North Carolina game rather than Heimlich. Heimlich could have started the Friday Mississippi State game, then. And Fehm could have started the Saturday game. The final series would have then been Abel, Heimlich, and Fehm, each with more rest than they otherwise had. Of course, retrospectively, it would have been nice if Chamberlain or Eisert had just started game 1 and picked up the win. Then, Heimlich; Abel; and Fehm, if necessary, could have started the next three games. I will say again that I think that Fehm is better suited for a long relief and spot start sort of a roll, rather than as an everyday starter. It caught up with Fehm last year. It caught up with Fehm this year.interesting take. I doubt 2019 rolls that way because Fehmel is 26-5 over the last three seasons. He's earned his starting spot over and over. But part of that was having madrigal grenier gretler on D and because of great run support. His 3.19 ERA wasn't spectacular but its in the top 10 of returning Pac 12 pitchers. He's consistent from appearance to appearance and doesn't give up a lot of home runs but only had 64 strikeouts in 119 IP. (Luke had 159 ks in his 129 Innings). Do you want more strike out production than that from your relievers? I do. Some situations demand your best guy at preventing the ball from even getting in play. That isn't Fehmel.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 3, 2018 11:22:51 GMT -8
I am only talking retrospectively. Idiot that I am, at the time, I thought, yeah, pitch Heimlich on three days' rest. Genius! I thought Fehm was a bad decision to start on Monday for several reasons: (1) it seemed like he had been tailing off his past four starts, (2) he looked rather mediocre against Minnesota, (3) it looked like he could use a 8- or 9-day break, (4) Washington was a bad matchup (he only went 4 1/3 innings in his start in March), and (5) the weather did not seem to favor starting Fehm. I thought that Abel would have been a better starter in the spot. If Abel got into trouble, Fehm could have come in to spell Abel for an inning or two. It would have been nice, if Chamberlain had started the second North Carolina game rather than Heimlich. Heimlich could have started the Friday Mississippi State game, then. And Fehm could have started the Saturday game. The final series would have then been Abel, Heimlich, and Fehm, each with more rest than they otherwise had. Of course, retrospectively, it would have been nice if Chamberlain or Eisert had just started game 1 and picked up the win. Then, Heimlich; Abel; and Fehm, if necessary, could have started the next three games. I will say again that I think that Fehm is better suited for a long relief and spot start sort of a roll, rather than as an everyday starter. It caught up with Fehm last year. It caught up with Fehm this year.interesting take. I doubt 2019 rolls that way because Fehmel is 26-5 over the last three seasons. He's earned his starting spot over and over. But part of that was having madrigal grenier gretler on D and because of great run support. His 3.19 ERA wasn't spectacular but its in the top 10 of returning Pac 12 pitchers. He's consistent from appearance to appearance and doesn't give up a lot of home runs but only had 64 strikeouts in 119 IP. (Luke had 159 ks in his 129 Innings). Do you want more strike out production than that from your relievers? I do. Some situations demand your best guy at preventing the ball from even getting in play. That isn't Fehmel. I want more strikeout production from setup men and closers but not necessarily long relievers. I personally think that Fehmel is very matchup-oriented, moreso than a Heimlich or an Abel. In the right matchups and situations, he is a great pitcher. But, if you just blindly roll him out, because it's "his turn," he tends to be less effective.
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