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Post by jimbeav on Jun 23, 2018 21:07:44 GMT -8
I'm probably gonna get flamed outta here for this, but oh well...fire away.
Conventional wisdom is that Luke will pitch game 1, and I have very little doubt that Luke will demand the ball and our coaches will probably give it to him.
However, Luke is coming off 4 days' rest, after a start which also came after only 4 days' rest. Likewise, for game 2, Bryce would be looking at 3 days' rest since his last start (which also came after only 3 days' rest since the game prior to that). Granted, neither pitched a full tank of pitches, but you put both games together for each, add in their history of not being effective on short rest or when fighting fatigue, and I think our chances of quality starts are dicey in both games.
I personally think our best chance to win 2 games is to pitch Chamberlain on Monday against their ace, and see if lightning strikes. If not, then you pitch Luke Tuesday (5 days' rest) and Bryce Wednesday (4 days' rest) against their #2 and #3 pitchers. Abel would also be available Wednesday for some innings on 3 days' rest.
It's high-risk, high-reward, but if we get another sub-par performance out of Luke and then have to rely on Bryce to get us to game 3 on fumes, this thing could be over before it really gets started...
Just one fan's crazy thoughts...
GO BEAVS!
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Post by tamatrix on Jun 23, 2018 21:17:55 GMT -8
I'm there! We won't do it, but I'm there!
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Post by Bodhisattva on Jun 23, 2018 21:29:35 GMT -8
I'm probably gonna get flamed outta here for this, but oh well...fire away. Conventional wisdom is that Luke will pitch game 1, and I have very little doubt that Luke will demand the ball and our coaches will probably give it to him. However, Luke is coming off 4 days' rest, after a start which also came after only 4 days' rest. Likewise, for game 2, Bryce would be looking at 3 days' rest since his last start (which also came after only 3 days' rest since the game prior to that). Granted, neither pitched a full tank of pitches, but you put both games together for each, add in their history of not being effective on short rest or when fighting fatigue, and I think our chances of quality starts are dicey in both games. I personally think our best chance to win 2 games is to pitch Chamberlain on Monday against their ace, and see if lightning strikes. If not, then you pitch Luke Tuesday (5 days' rest) and Bryce Wednesday (4 days' rest) against their #2 and #3 pitchers. Abel would also be available Wednesday for some innings on 3 days' rest. It's high-risk, high-reward, but if we get another sub-par performance out of Luke and then have to rely on Bryce to get us to game 3 on fumes, this thing could be over before it really gets started... Just one fan's crazy thoughts... GO BEAVS! 4 days rest is not that unusual, especially since he didn't pitch alot. I think they pitch Luke on Monday. Luke was pretty solid on his last outing, just had some bad luck with squib hits on the infield. Game 2 worries me more. I think a team like Arkansas would just feast on Bryce. I would only pitch Bryce on game 3. Then you might be able to get some innings from Eisert and Abel too. Just need to win game 1 and hope for the best in 2 and maybe 3. We made the championship, but we are not in great shape pitching. |
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Post by jdogge on Jun 23, 2018 21:34:15 GMT -8
I'm probably gonna get flamed outta here for this, but oh well...fire away. Conventional wisdom is that Luke will pitch game 1, and I have very little doubt that Luke will demand the ball and our coaches will probably give it to him. However, Luke is coming off 4 days' rest, after a start which also came after only 4 days' rest. Likewise, for game 2, Bryce would be looking at 3 days' rest since his last start (which also came after only 3 days' rest since the game prior to that). Granted, neither pitched a full tank of pitches, but you put both games together for each, add in their history of not being effective on short rest or when fighting fatigue, and I think our chances of quality starts are dicey in both games. I personally think our best chance to win 2 games is to pitch Chamberlain on Monday against their ace, and see if lightning strikes. If not, then you pitch Luke Tuesday (5 days' rest) and Bryce Wednesday (4 days' rest) against their #2 and #3 pitchers. Abel would also be available Wednesday for some innings on 3 days' rest. It's high-risk, high-reward, but if we get another sub-par performance out of Luke and then have to rely on Bryce to get us to game 3 on fumes, this thing could be over before it really gets started... Just one fan's crazy thoughts... GO BEAVS! No. You go with your best. That's Luke. It's the Big Stage. He wants to show everyone that he's a first round talent. You go out to end it in Game 1. Make THEM win two in a row. |
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Post by steinlager on Jun 23, 2018 21:39:08 GMT -8
I respect the strategy. However it's so important to win the opener of a 3 game series that leads most team's throwing their aces in a mano y mano style. Luke and Bryce will get the ball to start games 1 and 2. They have earned and deserve it.
Eisert and Chamberlain have been seriously effective and will be ready for relief roles.
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Post by sagebrush on Jun 23, 2018 21:46:27 GMT -8
No time like the present to get Luke used to going on 4 days rest. How many starters do you think the pros have and they play every day.
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Post by irimi on Jun 23, 2018 22:13:41 GMT -8
Put Abel back out there. He's young.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 23, 2018 22:14:52 GMT -8
I'm probably gonna get flamed outta here for this, but oh well...fire away. Conventional wisdom is that Luke will pitch game 1, and I have very little doubt that Luke will demand the ball and our coaches will probably give it to him. However, Luke is coming off 4 days' rest, after a start which also came after only 4 days' rest. Likewise, for game 2, Bryce would be looking at 3 days' rest since his last start (which also came after only 3 days' rest since the game prior to that). Granted, neither pitched a full tank of pitches, but you put both games together for each, add in their history of not being effective on short rest or when fighting fatigue, and I think our chances of quality starts are dicey in both games. I personally think our best chance to win 2 games is to pitch Chamberlain on Monday against their ace, and see if lightning strikes. If not, then you pitch Luke Tuesday (5 days' rest) and Bryce Wednesday (4 days' rest) against their #2 and #3 pitchers. Abel would also be available Wednesday for some innings on 3 days' rest. It's high-risk, high-reward, but if we get another sub-par performance out of Luke and then have to rely on Bryce to get us to game 3 on fumes, this thing could be over before it really gets started... Just one fan's crazy thoughts... GO BEAVS! Luke was coming off of 3 days' rest after a 63-pitch performance. Monday would be 4 days' rest after a 59-pitch performance. A lot of people were saying that Luke was the best Oregon State pitcher ever. I don't care if he threw 100 pitches, unless Luke is hurt, if Luke can't come back and be Luke on 4 days' rest, he is unequivocally not the best Oregon State pitcher ever, not top 5, maybe not even top 10. Also, the solution is to throw Chamberlain? Chamberlain threw 55 pitches and is on the same rest as Luke. If Luke can't go on Monday, Chamberlain probably can't go on Monday either, unless Chamberlain is seriously the best Oregon State pitcher ever. This strategy appears to be the go 0-1 down and rebound with two back-to-the-wall wins. There is zero room for error with that strategy. No offense, but my initial reaction is that this is just nonsensically stupid. Having said that, I wonder what the strategy is? Can Abel come back on three days' rest? Even if he can, can Fehm come back on three days' rest? If Abel or Fehm can't go on three days' rest, who is the fourth starter? Is it Chamberlain? Gambrell? Eisert? I still think that you have to throw Luke. Oregon State needs to go up 1-0. Plus, if Luke goes on Monday, there is a chance that Luke can come back and put in an inning or so on Wednesday, if need be. Absent a rainout, if Luke throws on Tuesday, Tuesday is probably the end for Luke. |
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Post by OriginalWhizzinator on Jun 23, 2018 22:16:39 GMT -8
I'm probably gonna get flamed outta here for this, but oh well...fire away. Conventional wisdom is that Luke will pitch game 1, and I have very little doubt that Luke will demand the ball and our coaches will probably give it to him. However, Luke is coming off 4 days' rest, after a start which also came after only 4 days' rest. Likewise, for game 2, Bryce would be looking at 3 days' rest since his last start (which also came after only 3 days' rest since the game prior to that). Granted, neither pitched a full tank of pitches, but you put both games together for each, add in their history of not being effective on short rest or when fighting fatigue, and I think our chances of quality starts are dicey in both games. I personally think our best chance to win 2 games is to pitch Chamberlain on Monday against their ace, and see if lightning strikes. If not, then you pitch Luke Tuesday (5 days' rest) and Bryce Wednesday (4 days' rest) against their #2 and #3 pitchers. Abel would also be available Wednesday for some innings on 3 days' rest. It's high-risk, high-reward, but if we get another sub-par performance out of Luke and then have to rely on Bryce to get us to game 3 on fumes, this thing could be over before it really gets started... Just one fan's crazy thoughts... GO BEAVS! 4 days rest is not that unusual, especially since he didn't pitch alot. I think they pitch Luke on Monday. Luke was pretty solid on his last outing, just had some bad luck with squib hits on the infield. Game 2 worries me more. I think a team like Arkansas would just feast on Bryce. I would only pitch Bryce on game 3. Then you might be able to get some innings from Eisert and Abel too. Just need to win game 1 and hope for the best in 2 and maybe 3. We made the championship, but we are not in great shape pitching. Not worried about Fehmel - he’s our SEC killer. As long as Luke pitches like we know he can, then we should be golden. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 23, 2018 22:21:15 GMT -8
4 days rest is not that unusual, especially since he didn't pitch alot. I think they pitch Luke on Monday. Luke was pretty solid on his last outing, just had some bad luck with squib hits on the infield. Game 2 worries me more. I think a team like Arkansas would just feast on Bryce. I would only pitch Bryce on game 3. Then you might be able to get some innings from Eisert and Abel too. Just need to win game 1 and hope for the best in 2 and maybe 3. We made the championship, but we are not in great shape pitching. Not worried about Fehmel - he’s our SEC killer. As long as Luke pitches like we know he can, then we should be golden. Fehm's last two games were in 1 p.m. and 2 p.m. local starts. Fehm's pitches are much harder to pick up at night. I expect Fehm to nail the coffin shut, if the series goes full. And Luke may be available to come back on one day's rest to bail Fehm out, if Fehm runs into trouble. |
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Post by beavsaregood on Jun 24, 2018 0:32:52 GMT -8
i like chamberlain a lot. he may be a weekend starter next year. but, for this year's cws, you got to go with the horses that got the team to the tourney. luke was pitcher of the year for pete's sake. fehmel has been great for the past three years. albeit late, we finally found our day 3 starter in abel. maybe eisert and chamberlain in long relief if the starters cannot provide quality starts.........actually all hands on deck!
looking to next year, i think the beavs' weekend rotation will be solid.
go beavs!
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Post by beaverchew on Jun 24, 2018 5:15:57 GMT -8
I'm probably gonna get flamed outta here for this, but oh well...fire away. Conventional wisdom is that Luke will pitch game 1, and I have very little doubt that Luke will demand the ball and our coaches will probably give it to him. However, Luke is coming off 4 days' rest, after a start which also came after only 4 days' rest. Likewise, for game 2, Bryce would be looking at 3 days' rest since his last start (which also came after only 3 days' rest since the game prior to that). Granted, neither pitched a full tank of pitches, but you put both games together for each, add in their history of not being effective on short rest or when fighting fatigue, and I think our chances of quality starts are dicey in both games. I personally think our best chance to win 2 games is to pitch Chamberlain on Monday against their ace, and see if lightning strikes. If not, then you pitch Luke Tuesday (5 days' rest) and Bryce Wednesday (4 days' rest) against their #2 and #3 pitchers. Abel would also be available Wednesday for some innings on 3 days' rest. It's high-risk, high-reward, but if we get another sub-par performance out of Luke and then have to rely on Bryce to get us to game 3 on fumes, this thing could be over before it really gets started... Just one fan's crazy thoughts... GO BEAVS! I think all of our pitchers except Abel (ready Wed?) and Mulholland will be fine. Probably the most difficult problem will be our closer, he has thrown a lot a pitches. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 9:29:50 GMT -8
I'm probably gonna get flamed outta here for this, but oh well...fire away. Conventional wisdom is that Luke will pitch game 1, and I have very little doubt that Luke will demand the ball and our coaches will probably give it to him. However, Luke is coming off 4 days' rest, after a start which also came after only 4 days' rest. Likewise, for game 2, Bryce would be looking at 3 days' rest since his last start (which also came after only 3 days' rest since the game prior to that). Granted, neither pitched a full tank of pitches, but you put both games together for each, add in their history of not being effective on short rest or when fighting fatigue, and I think our chances of quality starts are dicey in both games. I personally think our best chance to win 2 games is to pitch Chamberlain on Monday against their ace, and see if lightning strikes. If not, then you pitch Luke Tuesday (5 days' rest) and Bryce Wednesday (4 days' rest) against their #2 and #3 pitchers. Abel would also be available Wednesday for some innings on 3 days' rest. It's high-risk, high-reward, but if we get another sub-par performance out of Luke and then have to rely on Bryce to get us to game 3 on fumes, this thing could be over before it really gets started... Just one fan's crazy thoughts... GO BEAVS! well this wasn't a bad idea when it was a possibility. Now it's probably Luke ad probably the same results as we have seen recently. Some great pitches, some misses, some strikeouts, some walks, scattered hits. Taking on water after a few innings but keeping the boat generally afloat. As usual it's all about taking apart the other guy. |
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Post by cbeavs1 on Jun 24, 2018 10:05:05 GMT -8
I don't think who the starter is will have that big of an effect on the outcome. We will be pitching Johnny All Staff for the championships anyway. I would think if any one pitcher would have the most impact, it would be someone like Eisert.
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Post by justdamwin on Jun 24, 2018 10:09:38 GMT -8
Thing that concerns me is, though Chamberlain has pitched well, Eisert has been exceptional and has developed a closers mentality in long relief. He’s my go to guy.
I hope Eisert’s ready for game two but with the 72 on Friday that’s asking a lot. Three days rest.
Mulholland looks spent.
Pearce is only good for two innings max I think.
Our fortunes may ride on a Gambrel, Britton, Tweedt, Burns situational matchups in one of these three.
Key will be putting Arkansas in the same spot by taking good at bats and scoring runs.
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