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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 23, 2024 10:56:49 GMT -8
My memory is very fuzzy, but didn’t Dennis Erickson take the Oregon State job at a very low salary because the Seahawks were essentially paying his initial salary? Tinkle could become a very low salary, quality assistant somewhere with Oregon State essentially paying most of his salary? There wouldn’t be much offset to Oregon State’s salary obligations? No, Dennis earned $300K early on, a big raise from Riley. And I think Seattle only owed him one year. There are rules against underpaying new hires in such situations, to protect the former employer. I think you are required to pay market value, or close enough to it so as not to raise eyebrows. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 23, 2024 11:54:10 GMT -8
I know you can't compare women's and men's, but I will just a little..... Rueck has the culture thing down, and even when he loses a bunch of talent via the portal, he reloads.So maybe if we had a better culture around the mens program, we could have more success, even in this time of guys going to the highest bidder? I honestly haven't paid attention to the going rate of mens B ball talent on the open market......I'd imagine Pope will get some serious offers He didn't reload instantly. He sprinkled in a 4-14 conference record in there. His went 17-29 in conference the 3 years prior to this year. The women's game is completely different. You don't have players leaving early for the pros (or very rarely) and they are not transferring as often. Most of them are truly college athletes and not just looking for a path to professional BB. It's much easier to keep players. It amazes me that some people don't realize there were calls by some to remove Rueck the last year or two. This year erases that, erases the memory of that as well I guess. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Feb 23, 2024 12:47:02 GMT -8
I know you can't compare women's and men's, but I will just a little..... Rueck has the culture thing down, and even when he loses a bunch of talent via the portal, he reloads.So maybe if we had a better culture around the mens program, we could have more success, even in this time of guys going to the highest bidder? I honestly haven't paid attention to the going rate of mens B ball talent on the open market......I'd imagine Pope will get some serious offers He didn't reload instantly. He sprinkled in a 4-14 conference record in there. His went 17-29 in conference the 3 years prior to this year. The women's game is completely different. You don't have players leaving early for the pros (or very rarely) and they are not transferring as often. Most of them are truly college athletes and not just looking for a path to professional BB. It's much easier to keep players. Yea, I get they aren't the same. that's why I mentioned it in my post. Regardless, Rueck has time and again put a good product on the floor in an extremely competitive conference. Which, when you think about it, may actually be more difficult than doing the same in mens B ball in this conference......and would explain his down seasons. Pac 12 women's basketball is a buzzsaw top, to bottom, every season. Also, Rueck has had to endure a fair amount of losing talent to the portal.....he's also been able to replace the talent. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Feb 23, 2024 12:53:18 GMT -8
He didn't reload instantly. He sprinkled in a 4-14 conference record in there. His went 17-29 in conference the 3 years prior to this year. The women's game is completely different. You don't have players leaving early for the pros (or very rarely) and they are not transferring as often. Most of them are truly college athletes and not just looking for a path to professional BB. It's much easier to keep players. It amazes me that some people don't realize there were calls by some to remove Rueck the last year or two. This year erases that, erases the memory of that as well I guess. I remember the rumblings......it's crazy talk. A lot of people probably don't remember that when Rueck took over, the women's program was an absolute dumpster fire that even GAG would've been proud of. Even when Rueck's teams were struggling, he was attracting a lot of top talent. The culture, and the expectation of the program never went away. Some fans are just too quick to jump ship. |
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Post by mbabeav on Feb 23, 2024 14:30:53 GMT -8
The men's squad plays hard but they seem to lack the ability to play cohesive ball for 40 solid minutes. Rebuilding is hard I guess.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 23, 2024 15:06:57 GMT -8
My memory is very fuzzy, but didn’t Dennis Erickson take the Oregon State job at a very low salary because the Seahawks were essentially paying his initial salary? Tinkle could become a very low salary, quality assistant somewhere with Oregon State essentially paying most of his salary? There wouldn’t be much offset to Oregon State’s salary obligations? No, Dennis earned $300K early on, a big raise from Riley. And I think Seattle only owed him one year. There are rules against underpaying new hires in such situations, to protect the former employer. I think you are required to pay market value, or close enough to it so as not to raise eyebrows. What rules? As far as I know, they are entitled to an offset of all earnings. But there are no rules about you just working on your tan or doing a real half-a$$ed job for minimum wage. As long as you do not run up against Federal or state law, usually you can work for as little as you want to. Hell, you could probably enroll in a graduate program and then volunteer as a graduate assistant. |
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Post by TheGlove on Feb 23, 2024 15:29:50 GMT -8
The men's squad plays hard but they seem to lack the ability to play cohesive ball for 40 solid minutes. Rebuilding is hard I guess. For the most part this is true. It seems like during the games there is a lot of effort by the players and coaches. Occasionally Pope will mope, but can you blame him? I have a hard time rooting against these guys...I want them to succeed. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 23, 2024 15:38:26 GMT -8
The men's squad plays hard but they seem to lack the ability to play cohesive ball for 40 solid minutes. Rebuilding is hard I guess. As far as consistency and cohesion goes, relying primarily on true sophomores and freshman and playing against teams who have 3-4 starters working on their 3rd-5th year of college ball might accout for some of that. I know Ralph Miller's teams did better, but both of his 26 win teams were largely the junior and senior versions of the same core that won 16 and 18 games theit freshman and sophomore seasons. Experience counts for something. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 23, 2024 16:21:47 GMT -8
No, Dennis earned $300K early on, a big raise from Riley. And I think Seattle only owed him one year. There are rules against underpaying new hires in such situations, to protect the former employer. I think you are required to pay market value, or close enough to it so as not to raise eyebrows. What rules? As far as I know, they are entitled to an offset of all earnings. But there are no rules about you just working on your tan or doing a real half-a$$ed job for minimum wage. As long as you do not run up against Federal or state law, usually you can work for as little as you want to. Hell, you could probably enroll in a graduate program and then volunteer as a graduate assistant. No, you are incorrect. This story about Virginia's deal with Bronco is somewhat old, but remains true. I'm sure Tinkle's contract includes similar language, as the basic language for most contracts is similar. "In exchange for continuing to get paid over the remaining term of his contract, Virginia’s Bronco Mendenhall would be required to seek other “gainful employment,” unless this requirement is waived in writing by Virginia’s athletics director. In addition, he would be required to report monthly to Virginia’s athletics director “on any gainful employment or consulting arrangement, and on employment applications and progress in actively seeking other employment.”
"Once Mendenhall gets a new job, if he “appears to be substantially underpaid compared to market” or he gets a multi-year contract under which the pay is “unequally apportioned” so that it increases after Virginia’s payments to him end, Virginia is allowed to assign a value to the new deal based on the market “to achieve the appropriate reduction” of its payments to Mendenhall."
www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2016/10/26/college-football-coach-salary-database-contract-buyout-language/92712348/You can't go to work someplace for well under market value. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 23, 2024 16:49:43 GMT -8
No, Dennis earned $300K early on, a big raise from Riley. And I think Seattle only owed him one year. There are rules against underpaying new hires in such situations, to protect the former employer. I think you are required to pay market value, or close enough to it so as not to raise eyebrows. What rules? As far as I know, they are entitled to an offset of all earnings. But there are no rules about you just working on your tan or doing a real half-a$$ed job for minimum wage. As long as you do not run up against Federal or state law, usually you can work for as little as you want to. Hell, you could probably enroll in a graduate program and then volunteer as a graduate assistant. It’s written into their contracts. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 23, 2024 17:39:40 GMT -8
What rules? As far as I know, they are entitled to an offset of all earnings. But there are no rules about you just working on your tan or doing a real half-a$$ed job for minimum wage. As long as you do not run up against Federal or state law, usually you can work for as little as you want to. Hell, you could probably enroll in a graduate program and then volunteer as a graduate assistant. No, you are incorrect. This story about Virginia's deal with Bronco is somewhat old, but remains true. I'm sure Tinkle's contract includes similar language, as the basic language for most contracts is similar. "In exchange for continuing to get paid over the remaining term of his contract, Virginia’s Bronco Mendenhall would be required to seek other “gainful employment,” unless this requirement is waived in writing by Virginia’s athletics director. In addition, he would be required to report monthly to Virginia’s athletics director “on any gainful employment or consulting arrangement, and on employment applications and progress in actively seeking other employment.”
"Once Mendenhall gets a new job, if he “appears to be substantially underpaid compared to market” or he gets a multi-year contract under which the pay is “unequally apportioned” so that it increases after Virginia’s payments to him end, Virginia is allowed to assign a value to the new deal based on the market “to achieve the appropriate reduction” of its payments to Mendenhall."
www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2016/10/26/college-football-coach-salary-database-contract-buyout-language/92712348/You can't go to work someplace for well under market value. I checked the first 10 pages of Tinkle's contract, and I could not find it. I do not have time to check every page on SCRIBD. Please feel free to point me as to which page it is on. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 23, 2024 21:03:04 GMT -8
No, you are incorrect. This story about Virginia's deal with Bronco is somewhat old, but remains true. I'm sure Tinkle's contract includes similar language, as the basic language for most contracts is similar. "In exchange for continuing to get paid over the remaining term of his contract, Virginia’s Bronco Mendenhall would be required to seek other “gainful employment,” unless this requirement is waived in writing by Virginia’s athletics director. In addition, he would be required to report monthly to Virginia’s athletics director “on any gainful employment or consulting arrangement, and on employment applications and progress in actively seeking other employment.”
"Once Mendenhall gets a new job, if he “appears to be substantially underpaid compared to market” or he gets a multi-year contract under which the pay is “unequally apportioned” so that it increases after Virginia’s payments to him end, Virginia is allowed to assign a value to the new deal based on the market “to achieve the appropriate reduction” of its payments to Mendenhall."
www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2016/10/26/college-football-coach-salary-database-contract-buyout-language/92712348/You can't go to work someplace for well under market value. I checked the first 10 pages of Tinkle's contract, and I could not find it. I do not have time to check every page on SCRIBD. Please feel free to point me as to which page it is on. I'm not going to search for his contract, and then look through it once I find it. Just saying that it's fairly standard in coaching contracts and I would be very, very surprised similar language isn't included in Tinkle's and other contracts executed by the university. |
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