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Post by rgeorge on Feb 21, 2024 12:14:11 GMT -8
No matter the "system" it all hinges on how the CFP committee applies it's policies and who is on the committee. They will determine the Top 12 and there are so many machinations that could screw the 5+7 up. Like if some upstart gets the auto qualifier/conference champ is not in that group by upsetting a Top 12 team in a conference title game. Especially if that loss doesn't drop that team out of the Top12.
No matter what, one can probably see at least (6) SEC/B10 teams selected, maybe some with (3) losses. The highest rated G5+2 team gets in, but unless another (G5+2) is in the Top 12 there is no chance of another bid. So you'll end up with (11) P4 teams in some fashion, and (1) G5+2 in the next two seasons.
After that... who knows. Hopefully they go to some 30-40+ team super conference and a separate playoff system for the other 80-90+ teams.
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Post by beaver55to7 on Feb 21, 2024 13:09:30 GMT -8
The highest rated G5+2 team gets in, but unless another in in the Top 12 there is no chance of another bid. Not sure this is exactly correct, I think it will be the highest rated G5 champion, and the pac2 aren't eligible to be that team (this is one of the 5, in the 5-7 system). So say Boise is the highest rated G5 champion at 15 in cfp ranking and OSU is 14 in cfp ranking with a victory over Boise, Boise gets in and OSU gets left out. So OSU/WSU are strictly in the fight for the 7 spots. Need to finish in top 12 of the cfp ranking for that.
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 21, 2024 13:36:10 GMT -8
The highest rated G5+2 team gets in, but unless another in in the Top 12 there is no chance of another bid. Not sure this is exactly correct, I think it will be the highest rated G5 champion, and the pac2 aren't eligible to be that team (this is one of the 5, in the 5-7 system). So say Boise is the highest rated G5 champion at 15 in cfp ranking and OSU is 14 in cfp ranking with a victory over Boise, Boise gets in and OSU gets left out. So OSU/WSU are strictly in the fight for the 7 spots. Need to finish in top 12 of the cfp ranking for that. "but unless another (G5+2) is in the Top 12 there is no chance of another bid."
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Post by beaver55to7 on Feb 21, 2024 14:00:01 GMT -8
Not sure this is exactly correct, I think it will be the highest rated G5 champion, and the pac2 aren't eligible to be that team (this is one of the 5, in the 5-7 system). So say Boise is the highest rated G5 champion at 15 in cfp ranking and OSU is 14 in cfp ranking with a victory over Boise, Boise gets in and OSU gets left out. So OSU/WSU are strictly in the fight for the 7 spots. Need to finish in top 12 of the cfp ranking for that. "but unless another (G5+2) is in the Top 12 there is no chance of another bid." While I figured you understood it, or would claim you understood it, the sentence reads like the Pac2 are competing with the G5 highest cfp ranked champion for a spot, they are not.
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Post by ag87 on Feb 21, 2024 23:31:14 GMT -8
No matter the "system" it all hinges on how the CFP committee applies it's policies and who is on the committee. They will determine the Top 12 and there are so many machinations that could screw the 5+7 up. Like if some upstart gets the auto qualifier/conference champ is not in that group by upsetting a Top 12 team in a conference title game. Especially if that loss doesn't drop that team out of the Top12. No matter what, one can probably see at least (6) SEC/B10 teams selected, maybe some with (3) losses. The highest rated G5+2 team gets in, but unless another (G5+2) is in the Top 12 there is no chance of another bid. So you'll end up with (11) P4 teams in some fashion, and (1) G5+2 in the next two seasons. After that... who knows. Hopefully they go to some 30-40+ team super conference and a separate playoff system for the other 80-90+ teams. Your first sentence a thousand times over. The committee is literally a small group of cigar smoking men (and Condi Rice) in the back room. For maybe five years now I've not read a peep about an equitable computer model to create the poll and selection. Mayor Daley is involved in this somehow.
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 22, 2024 0:30:01 GMT -8
No matter the "system" it all hinges on how the CFP committee applies it's policies and who is on the committee. They will determine the Top 12 and there are so many machinations that could screw the 5+7 up. Like if some upstart gets the auto qualifier/conference champ is not in that group by upsetting a Top 12 team in a conference title game. Especially if that loss doesn't drop that team out of the Top12. No matter what, one can probably see at least (6) SEC/B10 teams selected, maybe some with (3) losses. The highest rated G5+2 team gets in, but unless another (G5+2) is in the Top 12 there is no chance of another bid. So you'll end up with (11) P4 teams in some fashion, and (1) G5+2 in the next two seasons. After that... who knows. Hopefully they go to some 30-40+ team super conference and a separate playoff system for the other 80-90+ teams. Your first sentence a thousand times over. The committee is literally a small group of cigar smoking men (and Condi Rice) in the back room. For maybe five years now I've not read a peep about an equitable computer model to create the poll and selection. Mayor Daley is involved in this somehow. After today's meeting the committee will be reduced to a meaningless seeding party. With the SEC & B10 wanting multiple auto bids, the ACC & B12 will also want at least 2. My guess IF the CFP stays at 12 there will be only 2 open slots. But, 12 teams never made sense to me: - the (4) 1st rd games make the already "lesser" teams play an extra game, but; - is all about $$, and the 5-8 seeds get to host and keep all the home revenue AND 1st rd games are worth $3-4 million. Bye teams get $0; Hence, I'm guessing monetary payouts will be given to bye teams, but that's BS. Or, it'll quickly move to a 16-team format where each rd/team is paid as the enter and move on. I've heard 14 team playoff has been tossed around with the two highest getting byes. Then 3-14 play at home sites. Winners + bye teams make a final 8 with highest seed again hosting. But, now that's 3-4 extra games to reach a title game. So are they keeping conference title games? Do they matter if there are 2-3 auto bids? I wish the "have nots" would just secede from the entire mess. Have 80+ or so just say "eff this, and as a group we'll band together and form our own division... let's say (8) ten-team conferences, 9 conference/3 NC games (from our division), no conference title games, 10 conferences winners + next 6 highest ranked in our own CFP, and hopefully attract 6-10 bowl games to give other winning teams post season play. I've also heard, screw bowl games. That in this situation you guarantee EVERY team 1 extra game... example- the 64 non playoff teams matched up with similar team/records from another conference on rotating basis?? Whatever, just get back to college football FCS style vs big money monopolies in a never ending grab for dollars. If not, pretty soon universities will just start dropping athletics. Or, at least be making drastic cuts to their program offerings.
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Post by ag87 on Feb 22, 2024 0:48:13 GMT -8
After the 30 or 40 universities that want to have fully professional football teams do that, what should happen, but probably wont, is everybody else bands together. Get in some sort of agreement that the "everbody else" will not schedule the pros. Let's see . . . Texas A&M and Washington were winless this year. Indiana, Maryland, and South Carolina go 1-11. (not a big deal for UW, they are familiar with that.) The grandfathered universities will say no thanks to the money and get out - I'm thinking Vandy, Northwestern, maybe Penn State.
Unfortunately Auburn will offer Louisiana-Monroe $10M to take a loss and ULM will do it. Same story for nearly every other of the 90-100 non B10 and SEC (semi-amateur) teams.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Feb 22, 2024 8:32:48 GMT -8
The 12 tram playoff format is so yesterday.
Let's talk about the proposed expansion to 14 so the SEC and BIG 10 champs get 1st round byes and 4 AQs each.
College football is f%#*ed
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Post by ag87 on Feb 22, 2024 8:42:00 GMT -8
The 12 tram playoff format is so yesterday. Let's talk about the proposed expansion to 14 so the SEC and BIG 10 champs get 1st round byes and 4 AQs each. College football is f%#*ed that's what the backroom, cigar smoking, secret committee is for
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