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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 9, 2023 18:12:48 GMT -8
Linfield does not count in NET or RPI. Appy State is the best win so far. No bad losses, so far, all expected. Pittsburgh is the worst loss, and they are 6-3. Of course, Oregon State is probably Pittsburgh's best win, so take that with a grain of salt. Isn't that what I said? It's an absolutely wasted game in terms of what counts... the NET. I guess if you need to pad your coaching record?? Or just practice while your potential All-Pac-12 players improve and/or recover from injuries? |
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Post by ag87 on Dec 10, 2023 1:09:35 GMT -8
And, Linfield as a counter, doesn't! Still over 200 NET and play two teams over 300 in RPI next. Mountain West has a higher NET than the Pac-12 this year, which sucks, but the conference's RPI is much more clustered than the Pac-12. Probably need a top five finish to compete for an at large. my most optimistic hope for this team, with a small dose of realism, was for them to be a bubble team. I'm not watching and only looking at the stats. But have we played any games where we look like we may be a 50-75 type of team? |
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Post by beaverinohio on Dec 10, 2023 1:52:30 GMT -8
Mountain West has a higher NET than the Pac-12 this year, which sucks, but the conference's RPI is much more clustered than the Pac-12. Probably need a top five finish to compete for an at large. my most optimistic hope for this team, with a small dose of realism, was for them to be a bubble team. I'm not watching and only looking at the stats. But have we played any games where we look like we may be a 50-75 type of team? Not in my opinion. And we’d need another 10-12 wins rest of the way to get inside top 75. Given we’re down to 2 noncon games left and only play Stanford and Cal 3 total this year I believe, that’s going to be difficult to do. Possible? Sure. But not likely. I will say that this team is potentially good enough to pull an upset or two if hitting on all cylinders that day. Problem is the margin for error is so slim. I think passing last year’s conference win total is going to be very difficult. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 10, 2023 12:22:36 GMT -8
Mountain West has a higher NET than the Pac-12 this year, which sucks, but the conference's RPI is much more clustered than the Pac-12. Probably need a top five finish to compete for an at large. my most optimistic hope for this team, with a small dose of realism, was for them to be a bubble team. I'm not watching and only looking at the stats. But have we played any games where we look like we may be a 50-75 type of team? Appalachian State's current rankings: Ken Pom: 85
NET: 49
RPI: 49
Oregon State beat Appalachian State by 10 and without Michael Rataj.
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Dec 10, 2023 13:20:01 GMT -8
my most optimistic hope for this team, with a small dose of realism, was for them to be a bubble team. I'm not watching and only looking at the stats. But have we played any games where we look like we may be a 50-75 type of team? Appalachian State's current rankings: Ken Pom: 85
NET: 49
RPI: 49
Oregon State beat Appalachian State by 10 and without Michael Rataj.
App State hasn't lost since the OSU game. They have won 6 straight including a win over Auburn. |
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 10, 2023 14:05:33 GMT -8
Mountain West has a higher NET than the Pac-12 this year, which sucks, but the conference's RPI is much more clustered than the Pac-12. Probably need a top five finish to compete for an at large. my most optimistic hope for this team, with a small dose of realism, was for them to be a bubble team. I'm not watching and only looking at the stats. But have we played any games where we look like we may be a 50-75 type of team? No... realistically the competition other than the NY trip is pretty bad in terms of Pac12 play. The NET will improve in league play. But, beginning near the 200 mark (#199 thru games 12/9/23, 11th only above Cal) means OSU would have to be at least 10-10 with maybe (2) Pac12 tourney wins?? There are some quality wins (App St is like in the top 60 NET), but unlikely they will stay once their conference play starts as only two teams are below #157.. and as high as #352. Nebraska (loss) was 7-0 and then lost their last two very badly. Although one was to ranked Creighton, the other was at Minny. Also picked as a "bottom dweller" the the B10 preseason around #13-14. so not even a "good loss", except OSU NET is so low that a loss to #78 NET is I guess?? Pitt (loss) was 5-1 after the OSU win, now 7-3/0-1... with only OSU and WV as P5 type hoop wins. Pitt was picked 9th in the preseason ACC poll and not expected to make the NCAA. Again, probably not a "good loss" in the long run. But, currently #41 in the NET. Baylor... is indeed a quality loss as they are currently ranked #6 and 9-0. Picked for 4th in the B12. Currently 6th in NET. That said, being so low in a conference rating as the 6th strongest so far is not a great sign. I guess with the NETs of Pac12 teams being so spread out you could say there is hope for Pac12 wins??? I guess... But, with so few teams near the top of the NET, OSU might have to have more wins than normal, or win the Pac12 tourney again. Arizona #1 WSU #23 Utah #32 UW #55 Buffs #60 Ucks #67 SC #68 ASU #109 UCLA #123 Furd #191 OSU #199 Cal #249 Side note... the MWC has (9) teams with higher NET than OSU and the conference is rated higher than the Pac12 with (5) teams in the top 53. But, you play the games for a reason. If I were a betting man on such foolishness I'd give the WBB program a MUCH better chance surprise and to make the real tourney. And, except for extra games, don't really care about all the other post season stuff. |
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Post by beaverology on Dec 10, 2023 14:33:14 GMT -8
KC for the block
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 10, 2023 15:20:30 GMT -8
my most optimistic hope for this team, with a small dose of realism, was for them to be a bubble team. I'm not watching and only looking at the stats. But have we played any games where we look like we may be a 50-75 type of team? No... realistically the competition other than the NY trip is pretty bad in terms of Pac12 play. The NET will improve in league play. But, beginning near the 200 mark (#199 thru games 12/9/23, 11th only above Cal) means OSU would have to be at least 10-10 with maybe (2) Pac12 tourney wins?? There are some quality wins (App St is like in the top 60 NET), but unlikely they will stay once their conference play starts as only two teams are below #157.. and as high as #352. Nebraska (loss) was 7-0 and then lost their last two very badly. Although one was to ranked Creighton, the other was at Minny. Also picked as a "bottom dweller" the the B10 preseason around #13-14. so not even a "good loss", except OSU NET is so low that a loss to #78 NET is I guess?? Pitt (loss) was 5-1 after the OSU win, now 7-3/0-1... with only OSU and WV as P5 type hoop wins. Pitt was picked 9th in the preseason ACC poll and not expected to make the NCAA. Again, probably not a "good loss" in the long run. But, currently #41 in the NET. Baylor... is indeed a quality loss as they are currently ranked #6 and 9-0. Picked for 4th in the B12. Currently 6th in NET. That said, being so low in a conference rating as the 6th strongest so far is not a great sign. I guess with the NETs of Pac12 teams being so spread out you could say there is hope for Pac12 wins??? I guess... But, with so few teams near the top of the NET, OSU might have to have more wins than normal, or win the Pac12 tourney again. Arizona #1 WSU #23 Utah #32 UW #55 Buffs #60 Ucks #67 SC #68 ASU #109 UCLA #123 Furd #191 OSU #199 Cal #249 Side note... the MWC has (9) teams with higher NET than OSU and the conference is rated higher than the Pac12 with (5) teams in the top 53. But, you play the games for a reason. If I were a betting man on such foolishness I'd give the WBB program a MUCH better chance surprise and to make the real tourney. And, except for extra games, don't really care about all the other post season stuff. Pac-12 by record: 1. Arizona 8-0
2. Wazzu 7-1
3. Colorado 7-2
3. Utah 7-2
5. Oregon 6-2
6. Arizona State 6-3
6. Oregon State 6-3
6. Washington 6-3
9. UCLA 5-3
9. USC 5-3
11. Stanford 4-4
12. California 3-6
Pac-12 by NET SOS:
1. Utah 29
2. UCLA 61
3. USC 87
4. Arizona State 90
5. Oregon State 96
6. Washington 98
7. Arizona 142
8. California 235
9. Colorado 250
10. Oregon 259
11. Wazzu 310
12. Stanford 347
Oregon State has played an above-average schedule so far in the Pac-12 and has been average against that slate. The fact that Stanford has a better NET than Oregon State really illustrates the problem with NET. Stanford has done worse against a worse schedule, but the wins and losses have been "prettier," so they are ranked ahead of Oregon State. Oregon State's issue is that the multiple wins have been ugly and the three losses have been uglier. Oregon State is 114th in RPI, eighth in the Pac-12, just wins and losses, not looking at score differential and everything else.
Oregon State probably needs 13 wins from here on out to get in the hunt for an at large berth. 14 just about locks it up, if things go right. |
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Post by beaverology on Dec 10, 2023 18:10:31 GMT -8
I think you're math is good. We can beat UTSA and Idaho St, that means we need 11 more wins. Does the Pac12 currently only have 1 ranked team? We're not beating #1 Arizona. UCLA and USC will be tough. There may be some low hanging fruit out there, esp the home games at Gill. Chol has to stay healthy..... and KC needs to continue his development.... and we need to steal a few road wins. Count me in. Let's roll the dice. Dime time.
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Post by beaverbeliever on Dec 10, 2023 19:11:21 GMT -8
I think you're math is good. We can beat UTSA and Idaho St, that means we need 11 more wins. Does the Pac12 currently only have 1 ranked team? We're not beating #1 Arizona. UCLA and USC will be tough. There may be some low hanging fruit out there, esp the home games at Gill. Chol has to stay healthy..... and KC needs to continue his development.... and we need to steal a few road wins. Count me in. Let's roll the dice. Dime time.
Caught part of USC's loss to Long Beach State today - USC is not great.
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Dec 10, 2023 19:26:12 GMT -8
I think you're math is good. We can beat UTSA and Idaho St, that means we need 11 more wins. Does the Pac12 currently only have 1 ranked team? We're not beating #1 Arizona. UCLA and USC will be tough. There may be some low hanging fruit out there, esp the home games at Gill. Chol has to stay healthy..... and KC needs to continue his development.... and we need to steal a few road wins. Count me in. Let's roll the dice. Dime time. Either this scenario or win as many as they can and be playing their best as the PAC 12 Tournament rolls around and win that. Just like in 2021. |
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Post by alwaysorange on Dec 10, 2023 19:33:05 GMT -8
Some people need to quit drinking and then giving their opinion on the Beavs making the tourney.
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 10, 2023 19:38:10 GMT -8
Some people need to quit drinking and then giving their opinion on the Beavs making the tourney. You wonder if they truly believe this team can win 11 Pac12 games. You know, since no WT ever has... Guess we'll see? |
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Dec 10, 2023 19:38:43 GMT -8
Some people need to quit drinking and then giving their opinion on the Beavs making the tourney. It's a fan forum. Talk about whatever they like about OSU. Why make a snide remark about it? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 10, 2023 19:46:27 GMT -8
Some people need to quit drinking and then giving their opinion on the Beavs making the tourney. You wonder if they truly believe this team can win 11 Pac12 games. You know, since no WT ever has... Guess we'll see? I'm afraid that I am going to have to take away a Beaver fan card for that. TheGlove can let us know, if you have any left. Listen, you can dump on the team after the games are played. Until then, I would respectfully request that you be a fan of the team, who the board is dedicated to. |
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