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Post by bennyskid on Apr 20, 2019 10:59:45 GMT -8
Just go to any fan board. You'll see lots of chatter about how the judges on the SEC hand out 9.9s like popcorn whereas in the Big10 a 9.8 is a fine score. But you rarely see a complaint that, say, Michigan got homered when they visited Georgia. There is a home court advantage, but it's not in the judging.
You can't say the same about basketball.
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 20, 2019 11:09:56 GMT -8
Just go to any fan board. You'll see lots of chatter about how the judges on the SEC hand out 9.9s like popcorn whereas in the Big10 a 9.8 is a fine score. But you rarely see a complaint that, say, Michigan got homered when they visited Georgia. There is a home court advantage, but it's not in the judging. You can't say the same about basketball. Fan boards. 'nuff said. Half the posts on any fan board is b!tching about officials. The big talk was about the supposedly disproportionate number of 10's that UCLA got this year during the regular season. But they are the defending champions and we'll see today whether they become b2b champions. |
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Post by sagebrush on Apr 20, 2019 12:39:28 GMT -8
How about reputation judging like in ice skating. Walkson Water cannot possibly have a bad routine unless a fall comes into play.
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Post by blastingsand on Apr 21, 2019 0:23:18 GMT -8
Agonizing how close this team was to getting the final session! Such an underdog throughout the whole year with UCLA buying out scores with their social media.
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Post by blastingsand on Apr 21, 2019 0:33:07 GMT -8
So I'm sure you don't like basketball or football, either. To be fair to gymnastics, the bias in scoring is no different than the bias in refereeing those sports. In basketball, we know that every ref has their tendencies - there are things they are quick to call and things they tend to let go. Same in gymnastics. The only difference is that in basketball, those biases are spread over dozens of calls and non-calls over the course of 40 minutes. In gymnastics they are concentrated in one score on one motion. This isn't Cold War Era figure-skating. I haven't heard a whiff of complaint about bias in NCAA gymnastics judging, other than the home-court advantage that seems to be present in every sport. True, judging isn't consistent from meet-to-meet - the same performances might get a 196.2 in Corvallis but a 196.8 in Westwood. But that's true in hoops, too. Some games are called tight, some aren't. And, unlike basketball, the effect of loose judging doesn't really reward any one team. In basketball, a physical team benefits from loose refs, a finesse team benefits from tight ones. But in gymnastics, all the scores get inflated or deflated in rough proportion. Any sport with a referee is going to be subject to some bias. Gymnastics is no worse than any other refereed sport, and better than some. Like most osu fans you must be out of the loop. There was a pretty big news earlier this month about an email sent out to judges about media exposure affecting the judges' scores in NCAA. Great discussion on twitter. Here's an article that mentions it: www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-ucla-gymnastics-scoring-20190404-story.html |
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Post by TheGlove on Apr 21, 2019 5:06:41 GMT -8
So I'm sure you don't like basketball or football, either. To be fair to gymnastics, the bias in scoring is no different than the bias in refereeing those sports. In basketball, we know that every ref has their tendencies - there are things they are quick to call and things they tend to let go. Same in gymnastics. The only difference is that in basketball, those biases are spread over dozens of calls and non-calls over the course of 40 minutes. In gymnastics they are concentrated in one score on one motion. This isn't Cold War Era figure-skating. I haven't heard a whiff of complaint about bias in NCAA gymnastics judging, other than the home-court advantage that seems to be present in every sport. True, judging isn't consistent from meet-to-meet - the same performances might get a 196.2 in Corvallis but a 196.8 in Westwood. But that's true in hoops, too. Some games are called tight, some aren't. And, unlike basketball, the effect of loose judging doesn't really reward any one team. In basketball, a physical team benefits from loose refs, a finesse team benefits from tight ones. But in gymnastics, all the scores get inflated or deflated in rough proportion. Any sport with a referee is going to be subject to some bias. Gymnastics is no worse than any other refereed sport, and better than some. Like most osu fans you must be out of the loop. There was a pretty big news earlier this month about an email sent out to judges about media exposure affecting the judges' scores in NCAA. Great discussion on twitter. Here's an article that mentions it: www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-ucla-gymnastics-scoring-20190404-story.htmlNot sure about your shot at “out of the loop” osu fans, but thanks for linking that article. |
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Post by bennyskid on Apr 21, 2019 8:18:09 GMT -8
First, blastingsand . . . can you make your arguments without taking baseless shots at people that you don't know? You don't know what loops any of us are in.
Even the most casual fan knows that scores are higher in any meet with UCLA in it. This isn't new - it's been the case for as long as I can remember. But that applies to every school in the meet - our best home scores always come when UCLA or Utah is visiting.
So what? Who cares whether the final score is 198.1-197.8 or 196.4-196.1? It's still the same result.
There is some legitimacy to the complaint that SEC teams get higher seedings in the NCAA post-season due to their inflated home scores. But there is also a legitimate counter-argument that their hyped-up judges hurt those teams in the long run because the gymnasts can't use the results to fine-tune their routines. Right now, the Georgia fans are wringing their hands about finishing dead last in their semi, well behind OSU and Denver, with a score nearly two full points below their last home score. They are pointing to the relatively strict scoring that we usually get at Gill and wondering if that was our secret sauce this weekend.
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