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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 16, 2019 21:01:32 GMT -8
The Pac-12 is like at a nine-year low, but I still do not think that it was bad as it was in 2010. California won the regular season at 13-5, 21-9 overall. Washington finished third at 11-7, 21-9 overall, but won the Pac-12 Tournament to get the automatic bid. The Bears got an #8-seed, and Washington got an #11-seed. Arizona State finished second in the conference at 12-6, 22-9 overall, but lost to #7-seed Stanford. The Devils were awarded a #1-seed in the NIT. No other Pac-10 team made the Tournament or the NIT. That was Craig Robinson's second year, fresh off of a CBI Championship. Oregon State went 6-6 in non-conference play with a 24-point neutral site loss to Texas A&M-Corpus Christi (which finished third in the Southland Conference), a home loss to 9-21 Sacramento State (one of the Hornets two road non-conference wins, the other being at UC-Davis), a loss to 8-22 Illinois-Chicago (which finished ninth in the Horizon Conference), and a 51-point home loss to Seattle (in its third season of Division I Basketball). Oregon State went 8-10 against perhaps the worst Pac-10 Conference ever, finishing in seventh. USC was on probation, which moved Oregon State up to sixth in the Pac-12 Tournament. The Huskies won to set up their run to the Pac-12 Championship and bid to the Tournament. Oregon State accepted a CBI bid to try and defend their 2009 CBI Championship but lost at home by 18 points. Arizona State dropped a first round NIT home game to 19-12 Jacksonville, which received an automatic bid for losing to 14-16 Mercer in the semifinals of the Atlantic Sun Tournament. Washington upset Marquette by two and throttled New Mexico by 22 before bowing out to West Virginia in Syracuse. The Mountaineers ended up winning the East Regional. California beat Louisville by 15 before dropping the second round game to Duke by 15 in Jacksonville. The Devils ended up beating West Virginia by 25 and the NCAA Championship against Butler. Is going 8-10 and 14-16, 14-17 after the Pac-12 Tournament, and 14-18 after the home loss to Boston an accomplishment, especially given the fact that the Pac-10 was even more down in 2010 than it is this year? No. Going 10-8 against the Pac-12 this year is a great feat. This is particularly true, because Oregon State is one of four teams that only got to play conference doormat California once (Colorado, Oregon, and Utah were the other three). Craig Robinson was 39–69 (.362) in conference play in his 6 seasons here. Wayne Tinkle is 35–55 (.388) in conference play in his 5 seasons here. If you only look at Robinsons first 5 years, he won 31 conference games. Tinkle has accomplished nearly the same CR did through 5 years and he's done that with multiple 4* players, including having GP2 for two seasons. Robinson was fired for this type of record, but for some reason, we're supposed to give props to Tinkle for going 10-8? Tinkle has had his chance to do something positive with this program and he's failed. Going 10-8 with this group of players in this down conference is not a feat. He's had time to build a program his way and build a core group of players. In year 5, that got us nowhere. As i mentioned before, this is a season of what could have been. The PAC is down and OSU was returning one of the most experienced teams in the league. This is the type of season that a historically bad program like OSU can use to accomplish something that is normally much tougher. Winning the conference and making the tournament was not a long shot, and should have been a realistic goal. This was OSU's best chance to win the conference. Going 10-8 is not a great feat. It's a great disappointment. And lastly.... OSU beat Cal by 8 points, at HOME. Playing them a second time on their court was no guaranteed victory. If you exclude Oregon State's 1-17 season, Wayne Tinkle is 34-38 (.472) in four seasons. In Robinson's first five seasons, in his best four seasons (his first four), the Beavers went 27-45 (.375), an average of two games worse per season than Tinkle. This is amplified, when you consider that Robinson's non-conference record in his best four seasons was 27-19 (.587). Tinkle went 34-13 (.723) in his best four seasons, an average of two games better than Robinson. Tinkle is averaging two more conference wins and two more non-conference wins per year. Plus, between Robinson's fourth and fifth year, he fell off three conference games and an additional 1 1/2 games in non-conference, falling from ninth to twelfth. In contrast, Oregon State has improved each of the past two years under Tinkle, improving six games between 2016-17 and 2017-18 (plus an additional 4 1/2 in non-conference) and improving an additional three games between 2017-18 and 2018-19. From last to fourth in two years! I thought that Robinson deserved a sixth year. (I thought that he should have been fired immediately after, but I thought that he deserved a sixth year.) I think that Tinkle deserves a sixth year. And I think that it is ludicrous to argue otherwise.
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Post by osufan2k on Mar 16, 2019 21:19:38 GMT -8
Why do you all continue to argue for Tinkle? I don't get it... Do you not want OSU basketball to be better? Do you not want to see them win a pac 12 championship, a tournament championship, or make it to the second round of the ncaa tournament? What has Wayne Tinkle showed you that he's the coach that can do any of that at OSU? What has he proven so far?
He's the Riley of OSU basketball. He'll win games, and wins occasionally against the ducks, but he can't sniff a conference championship, or a deep run in the ncaa tournament.
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Post by thetruebeav on Mar 16, 2019 21:34:41 GMT -8
I like Tinkle better then Robinson, Jay John "the ding dong" & Ritchie McKay combined. Let's break down another theory on the family & that we have 2 much of it. Not having Tinkle & Ethan on the team would only hurt us. I actually like the club on paper next year and excpect the BEAVS to win a couple more swing games and make the tourney. Hell.... 3-4 more swing W's and they make it this year. I'm taking a deep breath and realizing the sky isn't fallin.
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Post by ag87 on Mar 16, 2019 21:52:17 GMT -8
Why do you all continue to argue for Tinkle? I don't get it... Do you not want OSU basketball to be better? Do you not want to see them win a pac 12 championship, a tournament championship, or make it to the second round of the ncaa tournament? What has Wayne Tinkle showed you that he's the coach that can do any of that at OSU? What has he proven so far? He's the Riley of OSU basketball. He'll win games, and wins occasionally against the ducks, but he can't sniff a conference championship, or a deep run in the ncaa tournament. I'm a bit out of touch. How has OSU football done since Riley left for Lincoln?
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Post by irimi on Mar 17, 2019 7:41:19 GMT -8
Why do you all continue to argue for Tinkle? I don't get it... Do you not want OSU basketball to be better? Do you not want to see them win a pac 12 championship, a tournament championship, or make it to the second round of the ncaa tournament? What has Wayne Tinkle showed you that he's the coach that can do any of that at OSU? What has he proven so far? He's the Riley of OSU basketball. He'll win games, and wins occasionally against the ducks, but he can't sniff a conference championship, or a deep run in the ncaa tournament. I'm a bit out of touch. How has OSU football done since Riley left for Lincoln? This is it exactly! Every time we talk about changing coaches—no matter the sport—it simply comes down to whether it is better to stick with the devil you know or the devil you don’t know. When the basketball team stops making progress, we need to find a new coach. (I’ll leave it at that because for some of you “progress” is measured with wins and losses. For others of you, “progress” means vying for the conference championship. And still others see “progress” as fundamentals on the court.)
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Post by gnawitall on Mar 17, 2019 8:13:36 GMT -8
For me it's all about The Dance. Corporate-gon can have a 'poor' season but still know they can win the conference tournament.
I'm so tired of seeing Missouri Saint Catherine having better athletes than us. Like my son says, we don't have one player that can absolutely rock the rim on a break away. At a CW game at Mac court when Darrin Houston was on the team we were down eleven halfway through the second half and came storming back. A duck fan in the stands made the comment, 'we just don't have their athletes.' That has obviously been the reversal over the last thirty years.
I refuse to believe we can't recruit two to three solid- plus D1 players and couple solid D1 players and hire a solid coach. We have a proud history. I'd rather have our team be bad with the hope of finding something better than to settle for mediocracy. If our current coach of this roster can't lead us to better success than what he is imagine what it will be like when the kids are gone. Yeah yeah, fourth in the conference. I'd rather, no matter the finish in conference play, be able to win the conference tournament from any conference finish. Is there anyone out there that believed we could win it?
I don't think I'm alone when I say, I didn't.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 17, 2019 8:17:23 GMT -8
For me it's all about The Dance. Corporate-gon can have a 'poor' season but still know they can win the conference tournament. I'm so tired of seeing Missouri Saint Catherine having better athletes than us. Like my son says, we don't have one player that can absolutely rock the rim on a break away. At a CW game at Mac court when Darrin Houston was on the team we were down eleven halfway through the second half and came storming back. A duck fan in the stands made the comment, 'we just don't have their athletes.' That has obviously been the reversal over the last thirty years. I refuse to believe we can't recruit two to three solid- plus D1 players and couple solid D1 players and hire a solid coach. We have a proud history. I'd rather have our team be bad with the hope of finding something better than to settle for mediocracy. If our current coach of this roster can't lead us to better success than what he is imagine what it will be like when the kids are gone. Yeah yeah, fourth in the conference. I'd rather, no matter the finish in conference play, be able to win the conference tournament from any conference finish. Is there anyone out there that believed we could win it? I don't think I'm alone when I say, I didn't. None of the current recruits were born when we had a “proud history”
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Post by gnawitall on Mar 17, 2019 8:30:08 GMT -8
For me it's all about The Dance. Corporate-gon can have a 'poor' season but still know they can win the conference tournament. I'm so tired of seeing Missouri Saint Catherine having better athletes than us. Like my son says, we don't have one player that can absolutely rock the rim on a break away. At a CW game at Mac court when Darrin Houston was on the team we were down eleven halfway through the second half and came storming back. A duck fan in the stands made the comment, 'we just don't have their athletes.' That has obviously been the reversal over the last thirty years. I refuse to believe we can't recruit two to three solid- plus D1 players and couple solid D1 players and hire a solid coach. We have a proud history. I'd rather have our team be bad with the hope of finding something better than to settle for mediocracy. If our current coach of this roster can't lead us to better success than what he is imagine what it will be like when the kids are gone. Yeah yeah, fourth in the conference. I'd rather, no matter the finish in conference play, be able to win the conference tournament from any conference finish. Is there anyone out there that believed we could win it? I don't think I'm alone when I say, I didn't. None of the current recruits were born when we had a “proud history” I was
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 17, 2019 8:34:49 GMT -8
Why do you all continue to argue for Tinkle? I don't get it... Do you not want OSU basketball to be better? Do you not want to see them win a pac 12 championship, a tournament championship, or make it to the second round of the ncaa tournament? What has Wayne Tinkle showed you that he's the coach that can do any of that at OSU? What has he proven so far? He's the Riley of OSU basketball. He'll win games, and wins occasionally against the ducks, but he can't sniff a conference championship, or a deep run in the ncaa tournament. This basically was the best season of the last 29. More importantly, this was the best season of the last three. Tinkle has had one down season in 5, and that was going to happen pretty much no matter who was coach due to the recruiting the 2-3 years prior to Tinkle's hiring. Talk about getting a new head coach when the team is on a downswing makes sense, when it's on an upward trend it doesn't. Pat casey inherited a pretty good product when he came in, but it took about a decade to start producing good tournament teams, thank goodness people weren't in a rush to success with baseball like they are with basketball and football. As far as Riley goes, virtually every OSU fan would love to that kind of success again.
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Post by gnawitall on Mar 17, 2019 8:41:16 GMT -8
It's definitely a personal perspective. I'd be happy for any bowl game. Also be happy with being in the dance.
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Post by jbjam on Mar 17, 2019 8:41:42 GMT -8
Why do you all continue to argue for Tinkle? I don't get it... Do you not want OSU basketball to be better? Do you not want to see them win a pac 12 championship, a tournament championship, or make it to the second round of the ncaa tournament? What has Wayne Tinkle showed you that he's the coach that can do any of that at OSU? What has he proven so far? He's the Riley of OSU basketball. He'll win games, and wins occasionally against the ducks, but he can't sniff a conference championship, or a deep run in the ncaa tournament. This basically was the best season of the last 29. More importantly, this was the best season of the last three. Tinkle has had one down season in 5, and that was going to happen pretty much no matter who was coach due to the recruiting the 2-3 years prior to Tinkle's hiring. Talk about getting a new head coach when the team is on a downswing makes sense, when it's on an upward trend it doesn't. Pat casey inherited a pretty good product when he came in, but it took about a decade to start producing good tournament teams, thank goodness people weren't in a rush to success with baseball like they are with basketball and football. As far as Riley goes, virtually every OSU fan would love to that kind of success again. Upward trend? Do you think OSU will win more conf games next year? I agree we would all love Riley level success (minus last 3 years.)
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Post by seastape on Mar 17, 2019 8:52:47 GMT -8
For me it's all about The Dance. Corporate-gon can have a 'poor' season but still know they can win the conference tournament. I'm so tired of seeing Missouri Saint Catherine having better athletes than us. Like my son says, we don't have one player that can absolutely rock the rim on a break away. At a CW game at Mac court when Darrin Houston was on the team we were down eleven halfway through the second half and came storming back. A duck fan in the stands made the comment, 'we just don't have their athletes.' That has obviously been the reversal over the last thirty years. I refuse to believe we can't recruit two to three solid- plus D1 players and couple solid D1 players and hire a solid coach. We have a proud history. I'd rather have our team be bad with the hope of finding something better than to settle for mediocracy. If our current coach of this roster can't lead us to better success than what he is imagine what it will be like when the kids are gone. Yeah yeah, fourth in the conference. I'd rather, no matter the finish in conference play, be able to win the conference tournament from any conference finish. Is there anyone out there that believed we could win it? I don't think I'm alone when I say, I didn't. I often think this, but then I consider the past 28 years. OSU is littered with coaches who seemed like they were solid and some of them have even brought in what seemed like solid recruits (I seem to recall that 5 of the 6 recruits in Eddie Payne's first class were players of the year in their respective states) yet they have still swirled the bowl by the end of their tenure. It's obviously not easy to find a rock solid coach. As far as winning the Pac 12 conference tournament...honestly, the Pac is so down this year that I thought that there was a real, but very outside chance, of being able to do so. I also posted on these boards shortly after out of conference play ended that OSU should be able to make a run at the title due to our roster and the overall weakness of the conference. SO...you can question my judgment on these issues.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 17, 2019 9:17:49 GMT -8
This basically was the best season of the last 29. More importantly, this was the best season of the last three. Tinkle has had one down season in 5, and that was going to happen pretty much no matter who was coach due to the recruiting the 2-3 years prior to Tinkle's hiring. Talk about getting a new head coach when the team is on a downswing makes sense, when it's on an upward trend it doesn't. Pat casey inherited a pretty good product when he came in, but it took about a decade to start producing good tournament teams, thank goodness people weren't in a rush to success with baseball like they are with basketball and football. As far as Riley goes, virtually every OSU fan would love to that kind of success again. Upward trend? Do you think OSU will win more conf games next year? I agree we would all love Riley level success ( minus last 3 years.) Minus the last year?
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 17, 2019 9:37:57 GMT -8
It's definitely a personal perspective. I'd be happy for any bowl game. Also be happy with being in the dance. The thing of it is that it is far easier to make a bowl game than it is to make the Tournament or the NIT. There are almost three times as many basketball teams as football teams. Fewer than 20% of all basketball teams make the Tournament, and 32 bids go to the champions of the 32 conferences. Finishing in the top 68 in basketball is more analogous to finishing in the top 25 in football than going to a bowl game. I agree that it is about perspective.
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 17, 2019 9:46:55 GMT -8
Why do you all continue to argue for Tinkle? I don't get it... Do you not want OSU basketball to be better? Do you not want to see them win a pac 12 championship, a tournament championship, or make it to the second round of the ncaa tournament? What has Wayne Tinkle showed you that he's the coach that can do any of that at OSU? What has he proven so far? He's the Riley of OSU basketball. He'll win games, and wins occasionally against the ducks, but he can't sniff a conference championship, or a deep run in the ncaa tournament. What? Coach Tinkle isn’t even in the same conversation with Coach Riley! C’mon.
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