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Post by blastingsand on Mar 15, 2019 8:38:02 GMT -8
Now that sun has risen again...
Looking at the positives: -Good record, best season in decades -Civil War Sweep -Renewed interest in college basketball (clearly a lot of you are years behind) -Actual exciting games -Pac-12 POY dynamic player in Tres Tinkle -#4 seed in the tournament -possibly games left in the season
There's a lot to be happy about and celebrate!
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Post by osufan2k on Mar 15, 2019 9:00:22 GMT -8
I don't share the same enthusiasm that you do.
- What would our record be had the PAC not been the worst it's been as a conference in a long time? There are no PAC teams in the top 25 and Wash looks to be the only team that will make the tourney. - I love that we beat the ducks, but what if Bol Bol stayed healthy? - Fans are not years behind, the program is years behind. - Yes, a few exciting games. Mostly huge disappointment from a "what if" season. - Tres is a good player, but I wouldn't call him dynamic or the type that can take a game over. - Is the #4 seed in a conference with zero top 25 teams an accomplishment? - More games? I'm not sure watching more games like last night will make anyone celebrate.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 15, 2019 10:05:42 GMT -8
I don't share the same enthusiasm that you do. - What would our record be had the PAC not been the worst it's been as a conference in a long time? There are no PAC teams in the top 25 and Wash looks to be the only team that will make the tourney. - I love that we beat the ducks, but what if Bol Bol stayed healthy? - Fans are not years behind, the program is years behind. - Yes, a few exciting games. Mostly huge disappointment from a "what if" season. - Tres is a good player, but I wouldn't call him dynamic or the type that can take a game over. - Is the #4 seed in a conference with zero top 25 teams an accomplishment? - More games? I'm not sure watching more games like last night will make anyone celebrate. Bol Bol was one 5 star player. The duks had TEN four and five star players signed the last 3 recruiting cycles in addition to Bol. I'm not sure how many of them played this year, but it's not like Bol was the only decent player on that team. People call this a weak league. Well, the out of conference games didn't turn out in the league's favor, that's for sure, but after that it was one team beating up on another for 18-20 games or so. Just think of all the questions if the dux win the tournament and both UW and them get taken into the tourney and go deep into it. As it is, if UW is the only one that makes it there's no guarantee they're going down in the first round, and people seem to talk like it's a lock. By all standards but hopeful expectations, this was a pretty decent season compared to just about any of the last 30 years.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 10:36:17 GMT -8
They rose above their coaching?
I'm not sure about that. Anyway, all players have to do that and that's an odd requirement when your dads are coaching.
Definitely some potential not realized. But in the words of Rasheed Wallace: The team Played Hard.
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 15, 2019 11:19:12 GMT -8
Now that sun has risen again...
Looking at the positives:
-Good record, best season in decades (So sad, pathetically sad, but true.) -Civil War Sweep (Yes! It was great!) -Renewed interest in college basketball (clearly a lot of you are years behind) (Sadly, most likely gone to waste with that terrible finish.) -Actual exciting games (True) -Pac-12 POY dynamic player in Tres Tinkle (Indeed he is. If he doesn't come back we're screwed!) -#4 seed in the tournament (Gone with the wind) -possibly games left in the season (Like the great NY Cheer: J-E-T-S Just End The Season!)
There's a lot to be happy about and celebrate! (Unfortunately the stumble toward the finish diminished most of that for many.)
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 15, 2019 12:10:46 GMT -8
They rose above their coaching? I'm not sure about that. Anyway, all players have to do that and that's an odd requirement when your dads are coaching. Definitely some potential not realized. But in the words of Rasheed Wallace: The team Played Hard.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 15, 2019 12:58:40 GMT -8
I don't share the same enthusiasm that you do. - What would our record be had the PAC not been the worst it's been as a conference in a long time? There are no PAC teams in the top 25 and Wash looks to be the only team that will make the tourney. - I love that we beat the ducks, but what if Bol Bol stayed healthy? - Fans are not years behind, the program is years behind. - Yes, a few exciting games. Mostly huge disappointment from a "what if" season. - Tres is a good player, but I wouldn't call him dynamic or the type that can take a game over. - Is the #4 seed in a conference with zero top 25 teams an accomplishment? - More games? I'm not sure watching more games like last night will make anyone celebrate. The Pac-12 is like at a nine-year low, but I still do not think that it was bad as it was in 2010. California won the regular season at 13-5, 21-9 overall. Washington finished third at 11-7, 21-9 overall, but won the Pac-12 Tournament to get the automatic bid. The Bears got an #8-seed, and Washington got an #11-seed. Arizona State finished second in the conference at 12-6, 22-9 overall, but lost to #7-seed Stanford. The Devils were awarded a #1-seed in the NIT. No other Pac-10 team made the Tournament or the NIT. That was Craig Robinson's second year, fresh off of a CBI Championship. Oregon State went 6-6 in non-conference play with a 24-point neutral site loss to Texas A&M-Corpus Christi (which finished third in the Southland Conference), a home loss to 9-21 Sacramento State (one of the Hornets two road non-conference wins, the other being at UC-Davis), a loss to 8-22 Illinois-Chicago (which finished ninth in the Horizon Conference), and a 51-point home loss to Seattle (in its third season of Division I Basketball). Oregon State went 8-10 against perhaps the worst Pac-10 Conference ever, finishing in seventh. USC was on probation, which moved Oregon State up to sixth in the Pac-12 Tournament. The Huskies won to set up their run to the Pac-12 Championship and bid to the Tournament. Oregon State accepted a CBI bid to try and defend their 2009 CBI Championship but lost at home by 18 points. Arizona State dropped a first round NIT home game to 19-12 Jacksonville, which received an automatic bid for losing to 14-16 Mercer in the semifinals of the Atlantic Sun Tournament. Washington upset Marquette by two and throttled New Mexico by 22 before bowing out to West Virginia in Syracuse. The Mountaineers ended up winning the East Regional. California beat Louisville by 15 before dropping the second round game to Duke by 15 in Jacksonville. The Devils ended up beating West Virginia by 25 and the NCAA Championship against Butler. Is going 8-10 and 14-16, 14-17 after the Pac-12 Tournament, and 14-18 after the home loss to Boston an accomplishment, especially given the fact that the Pac-10 was even more down in 2010 than it is this year? No. Going 10-8 against the Pac-12 this year is a great feat. This is particularly true, because Oregon State is one of four teams that only got to play conference doormat California once (Colorado, Oregon, and Utah were the other three).
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 15, 2019 13:11:26 GMT -8
Now that sun has risen again... Looking at the positives: -Good record, best season in decades (So sad, pathetically sad, but true.)-Civil War Sweep (Yes! It was great!)-Renewed interest in college basketball (clearly a lot of you are years behind) (Sadly, most likely gone to waste with that terrible finish.)-Actual exciting games (True)-Pac-12 POY dynamic player in Tres Tinkle (Indeed he is. If he doesn't come back we're screwed!)-#4 seed in the tournament (Gone with the wind)-possibly games left in the season (Like the great NY Cheer: J-E-T-S Just End The Season!)There's a lot to be happy about and celebrate! (Unfortunately the stumble toward the finish diminished most of that for many.)Hopefully, Oregon State gets an NIT invite. Last I looked, they looked to be in a good spot to get an invite, although a win over Colorado would have really helped the cause.
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Post by osufan2k on Mar 15, 2019 13:54:20 GMT -8
I don't share the same enthusiasm that you do. - What would our record be had the PAC not been the worst it's been as a conference in a long time? There are no PAC teams in the top 25 and Wash looks to be the only team that will make the tourney. - I love that we beat the ducks, but what if Bol Bol stayed healthy? - Fans are not years behind, the program is years behind. - Yes, a few exciting games. Mostly huge disappointment from a "what if" season. - Tres is a good player, but I wouldn't call him dynamic or the type that can take a game over. - Is the #4 seed in a conference with zero top 25 teams an accomplishment? - More games? I'm not sure watching more games like last night will make anyone celebrate. The Pac-12 is like at a nine-year low, but I still do not think that it was bad as it was in 2010. California won the regular season at 13-5, 21-9 overall. Washington finished third at 11-7, 21-9 overall, but won the Pac-12 Tournament to get the automatic bid. The Bears got an #8-seed, and Washington got an #11-seed. Arizona State finished second in the conference at 12-6, 22-9 overall, but lost to #7-seed Stanford. The Devils were awarded a #1-seed in the NIT. No other Pac-10 team made the Tournament or the NIT. That was Craig Robinson's second year, fresh off of a CBI Championship. Oregon State went 6-6 in non-conference play with a 24-point neutral site loss to Texas A&M-Corpus Christi (which finished third in the Southland Conference), a home loss to 9-21 Sacramento State (one of the Hornets two road non-conference wins, the other being at UC-Davis), a loss to 8-22 Illinois-Chicago (which finished ninth in the Horizon Conference), and a 51-point home loss to Seattle (in its third season of Division I Basketball). Oregon State went 8-10 against perhaps the worst Pac-10 Conference ever, finishing in seventh. USC was on probation, which moved Oregon State up to sixth in the Pac-12 Tournament. The Huskies won to set up their run to the Pac-12 Championship and bid to the Tournament. Oregon State accepted a CBI bid to try and defend their 2009 CBI Championship but lost at home by 18 points. Arizona State dropped a first round NIT home game to 19-12 Jacksonville, which received an automatic bid for losing to 14-16 Mercer in the semifinals of the Atlantic Sun Tournament. Washington upset Marquette by two and throttled New Mexico by 22 before bowing out to West Virginia in Syracuse. The Mountaineers ended up winning the East Regional. California beat Louisville by 15 before dropping the second round game to Duke by 15 in Jacksonville. The Devils ended up beating West Virginia by 25 and the NCAA Championship against Butler. Is going 8-10 and 14-16, 14-17 after the Pac-12 Tournament, and 14-18 after the home loss to Boston an accomplishment, especially given the fact that the Pac-10 was even more down in 2010 than it is this year? No. Going 10-8 against the Pac-12 this year is a great feat. This is particularly true, because Oregon State is one of four teams that only got to play conference doormat California once (Colorado, Oregon, and Utah were the other three). Craig Robinson was 39–69 (.362) in conference play in his 6 seasons here. Wayne Tinkle is 35–55 (.388) in conference play in his 5 seasons here. If you only look at Robinsons first 5 years, he won 31 conference games. Tinkle has accomplished nearly the same CR did through 5 years and he's done that with multiple 4* players, including having GP2 for two seasons. Robinson was fired for this type of record, but for some reason, we're supposed to give props to Tinkle for going 10-8? Tinkle has had his chance to do something positive with this program and he's failed. Going 10-8 with this group of players in this down conference is not a feat. He's had time to build a program his way and build a core group of players. In year 5, that got us nowhere. As i mentioned before, this is a season of what could have been. The PAC is down and OSU was returning one of the most experienced teams in the league. This is the type of season that a historically bad program like OSU can use to accomplish something that is normally much tougher. Winning the conference and making the tournament was not a long shot, and should have been a realistic goal. This was OSU's best chance to win the conference. Going 10-8 is not a great feat. It's a great disappointment. And lastly.... OSU beat Cal by 8 points, at HOME. Playing them a second time on their court was no guaranteed victory.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 15, 2019 21:51:36 GMT -8
The Pac-12 is like at a nine-year low, but I still do not think that it was bad as it was in 2010. California won the regular season at 13-5, 21-9 overall. Washington finished third at 11-7, 21-9 overall, but won the Pac-12 Tournament to get the automatic bid. The Bears got an #8-seed, and Washington got an #11-seed. Arizona State finished second in the conference at 12-6, 22-9 overall, but lost to #7-seed Stanford. The Devils were awarded a #1-seed in the NIT. No other Pac-10 team made the Tournament or the NIT. That was Craig Robinson's second year, fresh off of a CBI Championship. Oregon State went 6-6 in non-conference play with a 24-point neutral site loss to Texas A&M-Corpus Christi (which finished third in the Southland Conference), a home loss to 9-21 Sacramento State (one of the Hornets two road non-conference wins, the other being at UC-Davis), a loss to 8-22 Illinois-Chicago (which finished ninth in the Horizon Conference), and a 51-point home loss to Seattle (in its third season of Division I Basketball). Oregon State went 8-10 against perhaps the worst Pac-10 Conference ever, finishing in seventh. USC was on probation, which moved Oregon State up to sixth in the Pac-12 Tournament. The Huskies won to set up their run to the Pac-12 Championship and bid to the Tournament. Oregon State accepted a CBI bid to try and defend their 2009 CBI Championship but lost at home by 18 points. Arizona State dropped a first round NIT home game to 19-12 Jacksonville, which received an automatic bid for losing to 14-16 Mercer in the semifinals of the Atlantic Sun Tournament. Washington upset Marquette by two and throttled New Mexico by 22 before bowing out to West Virginia in Syracuse. The Mountaineers ended up winning the East Regional. California beat Louisville by 15 before dropping the second round game to Duke by 15 in Jacksonville. The Devils ended up beating West Virginia by 25 and the NCAA Championship against Butler. Is going 8-10 and 14-16, 14-17 after the Pac-12 Tournament, and 14-18 after the home loss to Boston an accomplishment, especially given the fact that the Pac-10 was even more down in 2010 than it is this year? No. Going 10-8 against the Pac-12 this year is a great feat. This is particularly true, because Oregon State is one of four teams that only got to play conference doormat California once (Colorado, Oregon, and Utah were the other three). Craig Robinson was 39–69 (.362) in conference play in his 6 seasons here. Wayne Tinkle is 35–55 (.388) in conference play in his 5 seasons here. If you only look at Robinsons first 5 years, he won 31 conference games. Tinkle has accomplished nearly the same CR did through 5 years and he's done that with multiple 4* players, including having GP2 for two seasons. Robinson was fired for this type of record, but for some reason, we're supposed to give props to Tinkle for going 10-8? Tinkle has had his chance to do something positive with this program and he's failed. Going 10-8 with this group of players in this down conference is not a feat. He's had time to build a program his way and build a core group of players. In year 5, that got us nowhere. As i mentioned before, this is a season of what could have been. The PAC is down and OSU was returning one of the most experienced teams in the league. This is the type of season that a historically bad program like OSU can use to accomplish something that is normally much tougher. Winning the conference and making the tournament was not a long shot, and should have been a realistic goal. This was OSU's best chance to win the conference. Going 10-8 is not a great feat. It's a great disappointment. And lastly.... OSU beat Cal by 8 points, at HOME. Playing them a second time on their court was no guaranteed victory. Craig Robinson inherited 9 of Jay John’s top 11 players and about 60 points a game. Some of those guys who were significant contributors were around for Robinson’s first 3 years. Tinkle inherited zero starters, the top returning scorer averaged 4.0 points a game and all of the returning players accounted for about 20 points a game under Robinson. The only one who made it beyond 2 seasons was N’Diaye. I’d suspect if John had left the program in as poor of shape for returning players as Robinson had Robinson’s first 2-3 years would have had much worse records. Just sayin’ you can’t look at win-loss records in a vacuum to make legitimate comparisons.
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Post by osufan2k on Mar 16, 2019 11:58:33 GMT -8
Craig Robinson was 39–69 (.362) in conference play in his 6 seasons here. Wayne Tinkle is 35–55 (.388) in conference play in his 5 seasons here. If you only look at Robinsons first 5 years, he won 31 conference games. Tinkle has accomplished nearly the same CR did through 5 years and he's done that with multiple 4* players, including having GP2 for two seasons. Robinson was fired for this type of record, but for some reason, we're supposed to give props to Tinkle for going 10-8? Tinkle has had his chance to do something positive with this program and he's failed. Going 10-8 with this group of players in this down conference is not a feat. He's had time to build a program his way and build a core group of players. In year 5, that got us nowhere. As i mentioned before, this is a season of what could have been. The PAC is down and OSU was returning one of the most experienced teams in the league. This is the type of season that a historically bad program like OSU can use to accomplish something that is normally much tougher. Winning the conference and making the tournament was not a long shot, and should have been a realistic goal. This was OSU's best chance to win the conference. Going 10-8 is not a great feat. It's a great disappointment. And lastly.... OSU beat Cal by 8 points, at HOME. Playing them a second time on their court was no guaranteed victory. Craig Robinson inherited 9 of Jay John’s top 11 players and about 60 points a game. Some of those guys who were significant contributors were around for Robinson’s first 3 years. Tinkle inherited zero starters, the top returning scorer averaged 4.0 points a game and all of the returning players accounted for about 20 points a game under Robinson. The only one who made it beyond 2 seasons was N’Diaye. I’d suspect if John had left the program in as poor of shape for returning players as Robinson had Robinson’s first 2-3 years would have had much worse records. Just sayin’ you can’t look at win-loss records in a vacuum to make legitimate comparisons. Tinkle inherited the best player to put on an osu uniform since Gary Payton... GP2. You can argue that had CR not been fired, he would have had success with GP2 on the roster. I wouldn't say CR left the program in bad shape. His last year three of the starters were seniors, Collier, Brandt, Nelson, and Moreland was a jr that went pro. One of the best returning players transferred because he was unhappy that CR was fired (Cooke). The situation was nothing like what Rueck inherited when he took over the ladies team. With such a young team, it actually helped Tinkle by allowing him to recruit Tres, drew, and Stevie and they got to start right away instead of sitting behind experienced players. CR was fired in his 6th year after going 8-10 in conference. Tinkle was 10-8 this year with all of his own players. Can't see him winning 8 or more conference games next year.
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Post by beaver94 on Mar 16, 2019 13:31:58 GMT -8
Craig Robinson inherited 9 of Jay John’s top 11 players and about 60 points a game. Some of those guys who were significant contributors were around for Robinson’s first 3 years. Tinkle inherited zero starters, the top returning scorer averaged 4.0 points a game and all of the returning players accounted for about 20 points a game under Robinson. The only one who made it beyond 2 seasons was N’Diaye. I’d suspect if John had left the program in as poor of shape for returning players as Robinson had Robinson’s first 2-3 years would have had much worse records. Just sayin’ you can’t look at win-loss records in a vacuum to make legitimate comparisons. Tinkle inherited the best player to put on an osu uniform since Gary Payton... GP2. You can argue that had CR not been fired, he would have had success with GP2 on the roster. I wouldn't say CR left the program in bad shape. His last year three of the starters were seniors, Collier, Brandt, Nelson, and Moreland was a jr that went pro. One of the best returning players transferred because he was unhappy that CR was fired (Cooke). The situation was nothing like what Rueck inherited when he took over the ladies team. With such a young team, it actually helped Tinkle by allowing him to recruit Tres, drew, and Stevie and they got to start right away instead of sitting behind experienced players. CR was fired in his 6th year after going 8-10 in conference. Tinkle was 10-8 this year with all of his own players. Can't see him winning 8 or more conference games next year. The problem was that CR’s last year 3 of the starters were seniors and a junior went pro. Then with Cooke leaving the roster was pretty bare of experience. Sometimes sitting behind experienced players can help younger players learn how to become better leaders. Sure some are natural at it but unfortunately it doesn’t seem that this group are. Maybe sitting behind and playing some experienced players would have helped.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 16, 2019 14:19:08 GMT -8
Craig Robinson inherited 9 of Jay John’s top 11 players and about 60 points a game. Some of those guys who were significant contributors were around for Robinson’s first 3 years. Tinkle inherited zero starters, the top returning scorer averaged 4.0 points a game and all of the returning players accounted for about 20 points a game under Robinson. The only one who made it beyond 2 seasons was N’Diaye. I’d suspect if John had left the program in as poor of shape for returning players as Robinson had Robinson’s first 2-3 years would have had much worse records. Just sayin’ you can’t look at win-loss records in a vacuum to make legitimate comparisons. Tinkle inherited the best player to put on an osu uniform since Gary Payton... GP2. You can argue that had CR not been fired, he would have had success with GP2 on the roster. I wouldn't say CR left the program in bad shape. His last year three of the starters were seniors, Collier, Brandt, Nelson, and Moreland was a jr that went pro. One of the best returning players transferred because he was unhappy that CR was fired (Cooke). The situation was nothing like what Rueck inherited when he took over the ladies team. With such a young team, it actually helped Tinkle by allowing him to recruit Tres, drew, and Stevie and they got to start right away instead of sitting behind experienced players. CR was fired in his 6th year after going 8-10 in conference. Tinkle was 10-8 this year with all of his own players. Can't see him winning 8 or more conference games next year. You can’t say Tinkle “inherited” GP2. After CR was canned he considered going elsewhere and Tinkle had to re-recruit him. GPII is a Tinkle recruit. And, if you think GPII was better than Brent Barry, that’s crazy talk.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 16, 2019 14:25:40 GMT -8
Craig Robinson inherited 9 of Jay John’s top 11 players and about 60 points a game. Some of those guys who were significant contributors were around for Robinson’s first 3 years. Tinkle inherited zero starters, the top returning scorer averaged 4.0 points a game and all of the returning players accounted for about 20 points a game under Robinson. The only one who made it beyond 2 seasons was N’Diaye. I’d suspect if John had left the program in as poor of shape for returning players as Robinson had Robinson’s first 2-3 years would have had much worse records. Just sayin’ you can’t look at win-loss records in a vacuum to make legitimate comparisons. Tinkle inherited the best player to put on an osu uniform since Gary Payton... GP2. You can argue that had CR not been fired, he would have had success with GP2 on the roster. I wouldn't say CR left the program in bad shape. His last year three of the starters were seniors, Collier, Brandt, Nelson, and Moreland was a jr that went pro. One of the best returning players transferred because he was unhappy that CR was fired (Cooke). The situation was nothing like what Rueck inherited when he took over the ladies team. With such a young team, it actually helped Tinkle by allowing him to recruit Tres, drew, and Stevie and they got to start right away instead of sitting behind experienced players. CR was fired in his 6th year after going 8-10 in conference. Tinkle was 10-8 this year with all of his own players. Can't see him winning 8 or more conference games next year. Who knows what Robinson would get out of Payton right off the bat. Cooke left April 21st before Robinson was fired on May 5th. Heck, Cooke may have left because it appeared Robinson wasn't getting fired, we just don't know other than he wanted out. Tres, Drew and Stevie weren't here Tinkle's first year. Their first year here they beat out most of Robinson's "experienced" returners and became the 2nd, 3rd and 4th leading scorers on the team. Drew had been only playing basketball for literally 2 or 3 years and probably would not have been a starter on any other Pac 12 team. Tres deserved his playing time, by the time he got injured he was coming off a string of games he out-scored Payton. The other two wouldn't have received that much playing time if Robinson had left much talent here. I didn't see Robinson's last season deserving a firing. There were tons of people on the message board and elsewhere calling for it, but what got him fired was basically losing the team at the end. It was probably Challe Barton and Hallice Cooke leaving that broke the straw and got BDC to back off his letter of support written earlier when the fans revolted. If Alfred is the only one to leave (no guarantee he will) and everyone else stays, I see the Beavers as being a better team this next year. 8 league wins should not be a problem unless the entire league jumps in performance.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 16, 2019 20:50:56 GMT -8
Tinkle inherited the best player to put on an osu uniform since Gary Payton... GP2. You can argue that had CR not been fired, he would have had success with GP2 on the roster. I wouldn't say CR left the program in bad shape. His last year three of the starters were seniors, Collier, Brandt, Nelson, and Moreland was a jr that went pro. One of the best returning players transferred because he was unhappy that CR was fired (Cooke). The situation was nothing like what Rueck inherited when he took over the ladies team. With such a young team, it actually helped Tinkle by allowing him to recruit Tres, drew, and Stevie and they got to start right away instead of sitting behind experienced players. CR was fired in his 6th year after going 8-10 in conference. Tinkle was 10-8 this year with all of his own players. Can't see him winning 8 or more conference games next year. The problem was that CR’s last year 3 of the starters were seniors and a junior went pro. Then with Cooke leaving the roster was pretty bare of experience. Sometimes sitting behind experienced players can help younger players learn how to become better leaders. Sure some are natural at it but unfortunately it doesn’t seem that this group are. Maybe sitting behind and playing some experienced players would have helped. You have it 100% backward. Cooke left, loudly indicating that the reason was 100% because Craig Robinson was still the head coach. (He stayed with the hope that BDC would wake up and fire Robinson, because Robinson had lost the team.) Cooke leaving seemed like the straw that broke the camel's back. It became clear to almost everyone that Robinson had completely lost the team. Even an incompetent like BDC knew it was past time. It was past time. Robinson was rightly fired. The team is currently in far better hands than it was with Robinson at the helm.
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