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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 18, 2019 9:28:25 GMT -8
I realize that everything points to the boss, but I'm curious about the view on the assistants. My recollection is that baseba1111 was very impressed with WT's assistant hires when those were announced. Rueck's assistants are given a lot of credit for the women's program's recruiting success and post player development. So why then is there not more examination here on our recruiting and player development on the assistants? Ultimately, that's on WT to change, although if feels unlikely to me that anything will change much this offseason (at least by WT letting someone go). In terms of strategy and execution, my impression is that much of this responsibility is on Kerry Rupp. Also, I do think the lack of depth creates a very difficult problem for enforcing execution - getting drubbed by playing lesser talent to make a point to your starters is not something you can do very often, particularly when people pay to watch games... and with the rate of kids transferring schools now, risking pushing a talented kid to want to go elsewhere is a fast way to the jobless coach list. My point is, there's good reason this job pays millions; it's extremely difficult. We saw CR have player deflections cost him his job, and WT's biggest threat to his employment is the same; so far he's been able to keep deflections to a level has been largely manageable, but it's resulted in very little depth, which also means very limited options to bench players not doing exactly what is asked, without serious risk of bad losses and devastating deflections. It makes you realize why Musselman and Altman's approach has been successful - if you can bring in enough high-caliber talent (via free agency in their case), you have the option to coach with a heavier hand. Altman has had lots of transfer-outs too, but has been able to backfill talent to keep the roster full enough to keep the pressure players justifying their PT. Meanwhile, we have starters who often didn't even justifying bench minutes. The three assistants are/could be good if allowed more respect, or maybe if running the show. In terms of comments and very few ops to watch practices/shoot arounds there are some definite "roles" and I some may not be as happy in them as 5 seasons together would suggest. I'm not quite sure by the look and actions each assistant feels comfortable to outwardly offer input, discipline, comments to every player. Some seem to be far more involved with the "other" players than the "sons". The quiet "good cop" you hardly ever see interacting with players or saying much in the coach's huddles during games, which isn't unusual on staff. He does a lot of film prep, scouting, and preps the team for opponents. In the times I've seen him at practice he is super quiet, and seems to work individually with players on shooting form and footwork. And quiet, positive encouraging type. The more "rah rah" assistant also preps for upcoming opponents, more vocally upbeat in games and practices. He also seems to be the guy who is the lead recruiter in terms of having coaching connects. He doesn't seem to be as arrogant as his TV brother, but also seems to know his crap yet stays in the background. again not sure he feels totally comfy in coaching the "sons" in terms of negative play/habits. The lead assistant seems to be the guy trying to impart the x's and o's to WT most of the time in the coach's huddles before they get with the players in the 60 second timeouts. While also prepping for opponents he seems to have the most knowledge and teaching ability, but seems some players don't seem to give him much respect. Rupp seems more "old school" and the constant break down into going one on one frustrates him. He is visibly frustrated when execution is there, but open men are not found, especially inside to the bigs. Overall my take is that there is a divided roster in terms of who assistant coaches feel than can truly coach up. With the "sons" it is almost always "atta boys", with no negative feedback and correction. While other players are freely coached with a positive style. ST and ET seem to be more coachable, but the playground streak of Stevie and Tres forcing his shots seem to a consistent theme that also show up in games. From outsiders who attend games, some I know and others from overheard conversations, there is an obvious youth league atmosphere at times. Players seem to just ignore what has worked and just stop executing. Tres especially looks to the bench/Dad almost nonstop when things go wrong. It was blatantly obvious in the Buff lose in Vegas. My bottom line isn't really the specifics of what may or may not being going on with the staff. It's the simple fact that the talent we have doesn't get markedly better over time, and worse yet the play as a "team" does not. The lose to the Buffs looked just like the loss to Mizzou or St Louis... same inept execution, same lackadaisical play. Comparisons to the past are just bogus excuses to justify mediocrity now. This team in THIS Pac12 should have won more games, and tossed away another chance for the postseason. A DISAPPOINTING end to this season should have been an NIT invite, but not even that was accomplished. The Tres returning or not is a moot point. Will he mean more wins? Sure. If 4 wins vs 7/8 or so really matters. What does matter is that almost every team gets better next year... returners, redshirts, transfers, recruits... OSU does not. Not only that the expectations that a returner will make a huge leap is based on, what? Name the last 'returning' player other than the 'sons' that made a significant leap in contributions? When is the last true frosh recruit other than the 'sons' that has contributed enough to make a difference in a improved Pac12. Not only was this year wasted in terms of games left on the floor and postseason play, but a huge chance to make at least a tiny dent in OSU name recognition for recruiting. Again, I'll gladly listen to the support of WT when someone can offer evidence of building a sustainable program with excellent game coaching, development of players, a system that is taught and executed with the least bit of discipline and imagination, and of course recruiting at a level higher than 8-10th in the Pac12.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 18, 2019 9:31:53 GMT -8
Coaches are hired to do one thing and one thing only. To win games. Everything else is secondary. We shouldn't and can't keep somebody around because of the poor me who we going to get instead whine. If you accept mediocrity you get mediocrity or worse
"Who are we going to get instead" isn't really a whine, it is a realistic question. If you don't have a realistic answer to the question, you are setting yourself up for even more failure.
No it's a excuse a loser has... keep the same situation because who in the world could do better. "Chance is always powerful. Let your hook be always cast. In the pool where you least expect it, there will be fish" Ovid Some live as victims and accept life, some actually take risk and live life. To accept mediocrity is a victim's plight.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 18, 2019 9:42:20 GMT -8
I personally don't feel making decisions out of fear is the best philosophy. Can’t tell who that is directed at. Seems to me those who want to can the most successful coach in 30 years are just as fearful as those who don’t want to go back to the abyss. The key to me is, this team is improving. It may bore some fans, it may not be improving as fast as fans want, but it is improving. There shouldn’t be a firing unless the team is on a downhill slope or there is “cause”. Actually those who can't offer one sustainable shred of evidence but to compare to the last 30 years are those fearful of repeating the past hence they consistently bring it up instead of moving forward. This program is NOT improving... it is the same play since season one minus a true leader on the court. There hasn't been another recruited in 5 seasons. Recruiting is consistently at the same level, 8-10th. Same inconsistently play and lengthy scoring droughts, no development of an inside game... etc etc etc. Those who don't accept mediocrity are fearful of a return, we expect more. The "GAG excuse" is over, it's been 5 years, WT has all his own players (those that actually stuck around)... stagnation. And, by the way those who use the "who we can get/if you don't have an answer" argument isn't supporting WT either. WT will be back next year most assuredly because of the ridiculous extension he was given. Unless the team 10-20 type season, he'll more than likely be back the following year. As mentioned by several, OSU's Admin/spending one major sports is the real issue is overall department success. But, let's see what two more years brings... significant improvement or trending backward.
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Post by seastape on Mar 18, 2019 9:47:22 GMT -8
Can’t tell who that is directed at. Seems to me those who want to can the most successful coach in 30 years are just as fearful as those who don’t want to go back to the abyss. The key to me is, this team is improving. It may bore some fans, it may not be improving as fast as fans want, but it is improving. There shouldn’t be a firing unless the team is on a downhill slope or there is “cause”. Actually those who can't offer one sustainable shred of evidence but to compare to the last 30 years are those fearful of repeating the past hence they consistently bring it up instead of moving forward. This program is NOT improving... it is the same play since season one minus a true leader on the court. There hasn't been another recruited in 5 seasons. Recruiting is consistently at the same level, 8-10th. Same inconsistently play and lengthy scoring droughts, no development of an inside game... etc etc etc. Those who don't accept mediocrity are fearful of a return, we expect more. The "GAG excuse" is over, it's been 5 years, WT has all his own players (those that actually stuck around)... stagnation. And, by the way those who use the "who we can get/if you don't have an answer" argument isn't supporting WT either. The lack of development of an inside game floors me. How is it that a 6'10" coach doesn't have an inside game plan? He's recruited bigs...yet has not developed the game. Stunning.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 18, 2019 10:25:31 GMT -8
"Who are we going to get instead" isn't really a whine, it is a realistic question. If you don't have a realistic answer to the question, you are setting yourself up for even more failure.
No it's a excuse a loser has... keep the same situation because who in the world could do better. "Chance is always powerful. Let your hook be always cast. In the pool where you least expect it, there will be fish" Ovid Some live as victims and accept life, some actually take risk and live life. To accept mediocrity is a victim's plight. "The perfect is the enemy of the good."--Voltaire. You miss good chasing better, and you miss better chasing best. I trust this administration to find someone better than Wayne Tinkle like I trust a goat to guard a bushel of cabbage. You personally make some good points. The lack of a consistent inside game is infuriating. Most of the other posters on this board, though, are talking feelings and hunches and gut feels. The big picture in my mind is that this athletic administration is a burning garbage fire, as was the athletic administration before. Any success is pure chance and runs contrary to the actions taken by the administration. Tinkle is not the greatest thing since sliced bread, but he is not terrible. Tinkle took this team with bottom two talent and finished fourth. He has shown a penchant for doing something with nothing. Remove him at this point, and you will, in all probability, see a terrible coach hired, someone who will do nothing with nothing. Oregon State has had a Tournament bid and should have had an NIT bid the past five years, two of the best seasons in the past 30. I enjoy being competitive. I enjoy not losing by 51 at home to a team that just moved up to Division I basketball two years prior. There were 3 bad games this year out of 31. Oregon State turned the other 28 into very competitive ballgames and won 18 of them. There is clearly progress. And this angsty will-Johnny-Football-Hero-ask-me-to-prom-hand-wringing is unbecoming a message board of supposedly grown men. Fans of more than 200 schools woke up this morning knowing that their coach is a worse coach than Wayne Tinkle. Perspective, man! Tinkle will be the coach next year and should be the coach next year. He will improve the team next year or likely be fired. The rest is silence.
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Post by atownbeaver on Mar 18, 2019 10:39:43 GMT -8
No it's a excuse a loser has... keep the same situation because who in the world could do better. "Chance is always powerful. Let your hook be always cast. In the pool where you least expect it, there will be fish" Ovid Some live as victims and accept life, some actually take risk and live life. To accept mediocrity is a victim's plight. "The perfect is the enemy of the good."--Voltaire. You miss good chasing better, and you miss better chasing best. I trust this administration to find someone better than Wayne Tinkle like I trust a goat to guard a bushel of cabbage. You personally make some good points. The lack of a consistent inside game is infuriating. Most of the other posters on this board, though, are talking feelings and hunches and gut feels. The big picture in my mind is that this athletic administration is a burning garbage fire, as was the athletic administration before. Any success is pure chance and runs contrary to the actions taken by the administration. Tinkle is not the greatest thing since sliced bread, but he is not terrible. Tinkle took this team with bottom two talent and finished fourth. He has shown a penchant for doing something with nothing. Remove him at this point, and you will, in all probability, see a terrible coach hired, someone who will do nothing with nothing. Oregon State has had a Tournament bid and should have had an NIT bid the past five years, two of the best seasons in the past 30. I enjoy being competitive. I enjoy not losing by 51 at home to a team that just moved up to Division I basketball two years prior. There were 3 bad games this year out of 31. Oregon State turned the other 28 into very competitive ballgames and won 18 of them. There is clearly progress. And this angsty will-Johnny-Football-Hero-ask-me-to-prom-hand-wringing is unbecoming a message board of supposedly grown men. Tinkle will be the coach next year and should be the coach next year. He will improve the team next year or likely be fired. The rest is silence. What is frustrating is with ASU getting a play in bid, it is clear as day, that was ours for the taking if we take care of business over the last 3 weeks of the season. Hell, it is ours for the taking if we beat Colorado. We beat Colorado we are an NIT team in the minimum, we Colorado then ASU, we are an NCAA team, as history just showed us. ASU woulda, shoulda, coulda been us. In the most important game of the season... after all the chips have been laid out, and all of the options (NCAA, NIT) were still on the table, and it was ours to take... we absolutely, positively completely s%#t our pants. That is the most frustrating thing. On the opposite side, the ducks, weren't even in the zip code of an NIT berth, let alone NCAA, until over the last two weeks they went off. I hate Altman and the Duck program more than I can hate anything on this earth... but I have to point out that they routinely rise up when they have to. I have yet to see a Tinkle team "rise up" I said a successful season for us this year is "about 20 wins, a winning conference record and a post season invite". As they say, close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades. It is great that on paper, record wise, this is our best year in 30 years. But this season is a failure. period. It doesn't matter what our final record is, when you look at the last 3 weeks and realize what we pissed away. And we completely pissed it all away. unacceptable loss after unacceptable loss. 2-5 over the last 7... Tinkle's seat should be rocket f%#*ing hot right now. No reasonable fan should ever say this season was "good". We left WAY to much out there. way to much for anybody to be satisfied or happy. Finally cracking a winning conference record after 30 years is completely ruined by our ineptitude in execution and coaching over the last 3 weeks. The Men's team couldn't of figure out a better way to ruin a great season if they tried. and ruined it, they did.
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Post by mbabeav on Mar 18, 2019 10:49:47 GMT -8
No it's not:
In a smaller league with only one dominant team, it took Ralph Miller time to build a winner, even though he had some good talent - yes, there are questions, but how long did it take John Wooden with his financial backers to build a winner at UCLA?
NO one is calling OSU out for buying people, no one is taking us to task for tainted recruiting, our players at least take school seriously. Can't people understand that there is a learning curve for coaches too, in recruiting and in coaching at the highest levels? Given that we finished 4th even in an underperforming league means that there are several more coaches that are on hotter seats. Granted the seats our coaching staff are sitting on are none too comfortable, but look how far we came from a truly disastrous season a year ago.
I'm not going to GAg on where we are now; I don't know what next year is going to look like, but I'm going to go watch them play ball!
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Mar 18, 2019 11:03:14 GMT -8
Actually those who can't offer one sustainable shred of evidence but to compare to the last 30 years are those fearful of repeating the past hence they consistently bring it up instead of moving forward. This program is NOT improving... it is the same play since season one minus a true leader on the court. There hasn't been another recruited in 5 seasons. Recruiting is consistently at the same level, 8-10th. Same inconsistently play and lengthy scoring droughts, no development of an inside game... etc etc etc. Those who don't accept mediocrity are fearful of a return, we expect more. The "GAG excuse" is over, it's been 5 years, WT has all his own players (those that actually stuck around)... stagnation. And, by the way those who use the "who we can get/if you don't have an answer" argument isn't supporting WT either. The lack of development of an inside game floors me. How is it that a 6'10" coach doesn't have an inside game plan? He's recruited bigs...yet has not developed the game. Stunning. Could it be because none of the "sons" are bigs? Sad deal if that's the reason......
Go Beavs!!
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Post by atownbeaver on Mar 18, 2019 11:10:55 GMT -8
No it's not: In a smaller league with only one dominant team, it took Ralph Miller time to build a winner, even though he had some good talent - yes, there are questions, but how long did it take John Wooden with his financial backers to build a winner at UCLA? NO one is calling OSU out for buying people, no one is taking us to task for tainted recruiting, our players at least take school seriously. Can't people understand that there is a learning curve for coaches too, in recruiting and in coaching at the highest levels? Given that we finished 4th even in an underperforming league means that there are several more coaches that are on hotter seats. Granted the seats our coaching staff are sitting on are none too comfortable, but look how far we came from a truly disastrous season a year ago. I'm not going to GAg on where we are now; I don't know what next year is going to look like, but I'm going to go watch them play ball! I'd not advocate to fire him either. I just don't want us to pretend like this season was actually good in the end, and recognize that there need to be extreme pressure to turn the damn corner already. This should of been the corner turning season, and it almost was. Good: best conference record in 30 years, best standing finish in 30 years, beat the ducks twice. Bad: Lost too many winnable games, crapped out at the end and played ourselves out of either tourney. What we all remember is the last couple weeks, where we pissed away everything we built over the season, that was largely positive. The bad is worse than the good.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 18, 2019 12:21:14 GMT -8
No it's not: In a smaller league with only one dominant team, it took Ralph Miller time to build a winner, even though he had some good talent - yes, there are questions, but how long did it take John Wooden with his financial backers to build a winner at UCLA? NO one is calling OSU out for buying people, no one is taking us to task for tainted recruiting, our players at least take school seriously. Can't people understand that there is a learning curve for coaches too, in recruiting and in coaching at the highest levels? Given that we finished 4th even in an underperforming league means that there are several more coaches that are on hotter seats. Granted the seats our coaching staff are sitting on are none too comfortable, but look how far we came from a truly disastrous season a year ago. I'm not going to GAg on where we are now; I don't know what next year is going to look like, but I'm going to go watch them play ball! People forget it took Miller 9 seasons to get into post season play a second time here. Granted it was harder in those days, but it was only 8-10 teams and one dominant team. Miller would have never made it to season 9 here under today's expectations.
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Post by nexus73 on Mar 18, 2019 14:32:03 GMT -8
No it's not: In a smaller league with only one dominant team, it took Ralph Miller time to build a winner, even though he had some good talent - yes, there are questions, but how long did it take John Wooden with his financial backers to build a winner at UCLA? NO one is calling OSU out for buying people, no one is taking us to task for tainted recruiting, our players at least take school seriously. Can't people understand that there is a learning curve for coaches too, in recruiting and in coaching at the highest levels? Given that we finished 4th even in an underperforming league means that there are several more coaches that are on hotter seats. Granted the seats our coaching staff are sitting on are none too comfortable, but look how far we came from a truly disastrous season a year ago. I'm not going to GAg on where we are now; I don't know what next year is going to look like, but I'm going to go watch them play ball! People forget it took Miller 9 seasons to get into post season play a second time here. Granted it was harder in those days, but it was only 8-10 teams and one dominant team. Miller would have never made it to season 9 here under today's expectations. How much harder was it in the Wooden era? Here's an idea of what everyone else in the nation was up against. When Walton was the center, it was said the second best center in college basketball was Swen Nater. Since Nater had an acceptable journeyman NBA career, maybe he was.
In those times, the powerhouses in football and basketball locked down so many of the superstuds that it was hard for the rest of the college sports world to breathe. Johnny Majors went to Pitt and since this was before the scholarship limits were in place, he brought in over 100. In that bunch was Tony Dorsett. Four years later, Natty Time. It was by making such a huge commitment that Pitt got off the mat and into the race. Dan Marino and Hugh Jackson were two others who showed up on everyone's radar screen thereafter.
Today the athletic wealth is spread around. Compared to the past, we have effectively achieved a rough measure of parity, which is amazing considering there are around 120 teams in football and the higher 200's in basketball who chase the Big Time Trophies. That in it turn brings a need for better coaching since the "just outstud them" card is not in play like it used to be.
If Ralph were coaching today, he would not be facing such an uphill battle in the Pac-12 as he did in the early years of the Pac-10. His emphasis on fundamentals would have created a lot of separation between OSU and the rest of the conference. Give him the same five years Tinkle has had and the weak slate of opponents our league offered to see we would have won the Pac-12 with Washington a respectable 2nd and everyone else relegated to road kill.
There are more superstar athletes than ever before. There are coaches who recruit them quite well. There are very few of those coaches who can handle the development of their players individually and then assemble the parts into a team in which the sum is greater than its parts. Even the NBA can't get it right for the most part. Look at the Lakers. They have the best player on the planet for this generation of pros and yet they are heading for a losing season.
Some day I hope to see a return of great coaches, which in turn leads to more great coaches. Crate engines aplenty are around but where is the chassis and body to put them in so a race can be won?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 18, 2019 15:25:33 GMT -8
Don't assume that the relative parity in recruiting compared to decades back means there is parity and schools take turns winning the conference. That's not the case.
Certain schools have built in advantages in geography, weather, money (even cheating apparently), population base and fanbase.
Parity does not exist. I'm not whining, pouting or making excuses, just being realistic. OSU and WSU will always have a tough time keeping up with the Jones's in men's basketball (yes, there is quite a difference between recruiting young women and boys) unless there's a change with more impact than a coaching change. I'd want someone to explain how Ernie Kent became a worse coach when he moved to WSU before I'll believe otherwise.
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 18, 2019 16:13:55 GMT -8
I didn’t go back to confirm, but I believe that st the start of the season I said winning record in conference and NCAA tournament invite would make the season a success with NIT invite the minimum. Didn’t happen, so I can’t call this a success, especially with the way team played down the stretch. And I don’t care where the team was picked to finish, because I think most Beaver fans knew with what we had returning that a bottom 5 finish would have been an incredible failure of a season. I also don’t care how long it took for Ralph Miller to win or if Tinkle is better or worse than CR.
Having said all that, WT will get another year and probably at least two more, and based on this year he probably deserves it. And it would be bad optics to finish 4th in league and to fire WT. But I can’t say that I’m confident the team next year will be as good or better than this year’s team. In fact I only root for 2 college teams and I feel better about next year’s prospects for the other team and it just lost 21 games I believe, which might be a team record. What scares me about the Beavs and the future is that say the team finishes just under .500 in conference next year and then backslides a little further the next year, which is how I’m feeling the next 2 seasons might go; we’ll be having this same discussion. And do you know how it well go? Well we can’t fire a coach who has taken the Beavs to the tourney and led them to their best season in 30+ years just two years ago. Who would we get who is better?
I hope I’m wrong and that my pessimism is just because of the late season collapse. But looking back at this season and how the players and team have developed over last couple years, I’m just not feeling confident.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 18, 2019 18:06:53 GMT -8
People forget it took Miller 9 seasons to get into post season play a second time here. Granted it was harder in those days, but it was only 8-10 teams and one dominant team. Miller would have never made it to season 9 here under today's expectations. How much harder was it in the Wooden era? Here's an idea of what everyone else in the nation was up against. When Walton was the center, it was said the second best center in college basketball was Swen Nater. Since Nater had an acceptable journeyman NBA career, maybe he was.
In those times, the powerhouses in football and basketball locked down so many of the superstuds that it was hard for the rest of the college sports world to breathe. Johnny Majors went to Pitt and since this was before the scholarship limits were in place, he brought in over 100. In that bunch was Tony Dorsett. Four years later, Natty Time. It was by making such a huge commitment that Pitt got off the mat and into the race. Dan Marino and Hugh Jackson were two others who showed up on everyone's radar screen thereafter.
Today the athletic wealth is spread around. Compared to the past, we have effectively achieved a rough measure of parity, which is amazing considering there are around 120 teams in football and the higher 200's in basketball who chase the Big Time Trophies. That in it turn brings a need for better coaching since the "just outstud them" card is not in play like it used to be.
If Ralph were coaching today, he would not be facing such an uphill battle in the Pac-12 as he did in the early years of the Pac-10. His emphasis on fundamentals would have created a lot of separation between OSU and the rest of the conference. Give him the same five years Tinkle has had and the weak slate of opponents our league offered to see we would have won the Pac-12 with Washington a respectable 2nd and everyone else relegated to road kill.
There are more superstar athletes than ever before. There are coaches who recruit them quite well. There are very few of those coaches who can handle the development of their players individually and then assemble the parts into a team in which the sum is greater than its parts. Even the NBA can't get it right for the most part. Look at the Lakers. They have the best player on the planet for this generation of pros and yet they are heading for a losing season.
Some day I hope to see a return of great coaches, which in turn leads to more great coaches. Crate engines aplenty are around but where is the chassis and body to put them in so a race can be won?
In Ralph Miller's first five years, he finished .500 or better in conference twice. Overall, Miller posted three winning seasons, a .500 season, and a losing season. Miller took Oregon State to one Tournament. In Wayne Tinkle's first five years, he finished .500 or better in conference twice. Overall, Tinkle posted three winning seasons, a .500 season, and a losing season. Tinkle took Oregon State to one Tournament. Miller was 42-25 (.627) in non-conference play. Tinkle is 38-23 (.623). In their best four years, Miller was 65-46 (.586). Tinkle is 70-56 (.556). Tinkle is 34-12 (.739) in non-conference play. Miller was 34-21 (.618). If you add Pac-12 Tournament games, Tinkle is still 36-16 (.692) in non-conference play. Miller was doing better than Tinkle after year five but not markedly so. Miller posted very lackluster years 1, 3, and 4. Tinkle's worst years were years 1, 3, and 4. Year 5 is when Oregon State started to take off. After year four, the Beavers would post winning seasons in 15 of the next 16 years. Hopefully, history repeats itself and the next 16 years are part of the Oregon State Basketball Renaissance.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 18, 2019 20:35:33 GMT -8
No it's not: In a smaller league with only one dominant team, it took Ralph Miller time to build a winner, even though he had some good talent - yes, there are questions, but how long did it take John Wooden with his financial backers to build a winner at UCLA? NO one is calling OSU out for buying people, no one is taking us to task for tainted recruiting, our players at least take school seriously. Can't people understand that there is a learning curve for coaches too, in recruiting and in coaching at the highest levels? Given that we finished 4th even in an underperforming league means that there are several more coaches that are on hotter seats. Granted the seats our coaching staff are sitting on are none too comfortable, but look how far we came from a truly disastrous season a year ago. I'm not going to GAg on where we are now; I don't know what next year is going to look like, but I'm going to go watch them play ball! People forget it took Miller 9 seasons to get into post season play a second time here. Granted it was harder in those days, but it was only 8-10 teams and one dominant team. Miller would have never made it to season 9 here under today's expectations. COMPLETELY inaccurate comparison. COMPLETELY different era. COMPLETELY different type of player and recruiting methods. COMPLETELY different tournament and type of ball. Putting Ralph and Wayne in the same comparison shows exactly how overtly biased and full of excuses you and Wilky/ others are concerning WT and his tenure. Ridiculous...
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