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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 25, 2019 11:52:26 GMT -8
All I know is that Oregon has as many NCAA tournament wins in the last few years as we do all time. I'm not sure we've reached our ceiling under Tinkle, but I doubt we're far from it. I think the writing is on the wall if we actually want to be a good program, not even elite. Oregon is currently serving probation in 4 sports, including men’s and women’s basketball. Only one other FBS team in the country is under probation in even 2 sports. Uo has been implicated in a recent FBI corruption scandal, accused of offering “astronomical” amounts of money to a recruit. If you look at their history of last minute recruiting coups in recent years, it doesn’t take a lot to put the dots together and be suspicious even if you don’t give much credit to conspiracy theories. If it takes finding ways to skirt the intent of the rules, I’d rather OSU not go there. And all those things are of such importance nationally that they were mentioned a grand total of? Zero times during the Ducks first two telecasts. Face it, nobody (in the broad sense of the word) cares about that anymore. Maybe it's just expected now. Maybe Avanatti will take them down. Wait, he's probably going to jail. Never mind! |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 25, 2019 12:23:22 GMT -8
Bruce Pearl has gotten every single program he's coached on probation, and that will probably happen again at Auburn. But no one at ESPN or CBS is ever going to say anything regarding NCAA violations by the participating teams or individuals. They are not journalists, they are entertainers shilling their product.
I don't care if it's never mentioned on TV. I don't want our coaches cheating, like that other team has done throughout the 21st century to land on NCAA probation three separate times. Period.
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Post by sagebrush on Mar 25, 2019 13:01:09 GMT -8
It's not the cheating per se, it's the arrogance that leads to sloppiness and gets them caught.
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Post by ee1990 on Mar 25, 2019 15:29:23 GMT -8
Oregon's "cheating" was having an associate director of basketball operations be present during volunteer workouts.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 25, 2019 20:10:48 GMT -8
Oregon's "cheating" was having an associate director of basketball operations be present during volunteer workouts. Much more than that. They were running organized offseason practices, overseen on court by assistant "strength" coaches who also have basketball experience, or the DOA. That is why the NCAA considered it such a serious violation. The DOA got a two-year show-cause order, a serious infraction. The team was fined 5K and 1% of both team's budgets, or $70k if both team's budgets are $7 million combined, probably a conservative number. From the NCAA: "The participation by the assistant strength coach ... gave the [women's] program a competitive advantage of an extra coach, the committee said. The head coach failed to promote an atmosphere of compliance and failed to monitor his staff. The head coach’s disregard for the rules about impermissible coaching activity did not set the proper tone for compliance in his program, the committee added.
The director of men’s basketball operations participated in or observed individual voluntary workouts at least 64 times. While the NCAA investigation in this case progressed, the director of basketball operations observed additional voluntary workouts by a student-athlete at a local high school track, the committee said. In its report, the committee stressed it was especially troubled that the director of basketball operations participated in the impermissible activities after he served a suspension for being involved in workouts with the one of same student-athletes.
The director of men’s basketball operations also acted as a referee in men’s basketball practices." |
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Post by pitbeavs on Mar 25, 2019 23:26:40 GMT -8
Location, location, location. Even though uo is only 35-40 miles down the road from OSU, OSU is much more like WSU than uo when it comes to having a successful basketball program. That's not Tinkle's fault. WSU has had significantly more recent post season success than OSU, yet Ernie has had significantly worse results at WSU than Tinkle has had at OSU and you parade out his uo stint to compare him to Tinkle. Have you ever thought that maybe the problem isn't Tinkle? Dude keep changing the target... I "paraded out" Ernie's success vs your comment on how he compares to WT. Hence his coaching career in the Pac12 is relevant. Back to mediocrity, poor OSU location is killing us, keep inferior coaches cuz we can't get better, oh gawd I better just hope baseball and WBB (gymnastics, softball, wrestling all have have had post seasons) are decent because as we all know the same location doesn't interfere with their success! Must be quite a life of accepting mediocrity for you. Do you have kids? Did you set their life goals accordingly by where you decided to live and have them attend school?? Does that assure their success? failure? Gosh I know tons of schools/people who have found great success from all sorts of locations... AGAIN, show some real support for WT. Spout off his superior recruiting... oh ya location??! Damn... Ok, superior in-game coaching? Player development? Fantastic schemes and the ability to teach them? Or, does OSU's location and placement in the pecking order effect all that too??? Cuz going by your own admission of WSU's more recent post season success in MBB (guess you speak of the Bennett era?) then if WT was anywhere close to a great coach we'd be seeing the same results as Bennett. You know Bennett, long time assistant, but NEVER a HC until WSU. Unlike WT who had several years under his belt. Oh ya, Bennett took over a better program, NOPE! Since 1994 a long record of futility.... Eastman (68-79/30-60), Graham (31-79/9-63), then the elder Bennett (36-49/18-36)... 135-207/57-159. OSU in that time was 136-211/59-157. Hmmm seems so similar. BUT, Tony Bennett happen to build upon his dad's/others losing ways way out yonder at WSU... hmmmm... location location location. But now you're comparing apples with oranges. WBB and MBB are too different things. Every player on the Men's team just knows that they are NBA talent as yet undiscovered. On average they probably weren't the best students in HS. Now, the women know that the WNBA is not in their future and were, likely, better students in HS. They know that maybe they get a shot playing in Australia. So their focus is better. The women are more mature than the boys [except, maybe, SI down the road]. Same with baseball and softball. How many first round draft choices did the softball team last year? Exactly. So unless you're going to collect a bunch of data and turn it over to ATown to regress, it's all opinions. Y'all will continue to argue because it's just opinions, no more or less valid than any others. |
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Post by pitbeavs on Mar 25, 2019 23:38:25 GMT -8
And Corvallis is 70 miles from Portland which is bigger than any other city mentioned in this conversation. So basically Corvallis is very comparable to exactly ALL of those cities the OP mentioned (Spokane less so, but a big city? Please maybe if you're from Lebanon). The Corvallis metro area is 86k. The Spokane metro area is 556k. Corvallis and metro should not be used in the same paragraph let alone in the same sentence. |
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Post by pitbeavs on Mar 25, 2019 23:56:36 GMT -8
Not an expert by any means, but expect it is a function of cvo airport limitations. Runways are pretty short by today's standards (for example, a 737-900 requires over 9000 ft to take off fully loaded) and may not be capable of bearing the load. In addition, TSA infrastructure probably isn't in place. For relatively few flights a year it isn't worth upgrading the airport given EUG and PDX accessibility. There are a lot of reasons TBH. Corvallis and Eugene airports are much too close together. Runway approaches would overlap increasing the risk of collision. Add to that the increased noise that locals wouldn't tolerate. Then there's the infrastructural minimums -- two 7500-10000' runways, a control tower, in addition to taxiways, terminals, etc. Even a regional hub requires at least 5000 annual [planes, not passengers]. Taking Corvallis from General Aviation to regional hub isn't justifiable for economic reasons. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 26, 2019 0:20:24 GMT -8
It takes 35 minutes to get from Eugene's podunk airport to Corvallis. You can't even get out of LAX in that amount of time. Not having a major airport isn't even a factor in recruiting.
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Post by blastingsand on Mar 26, 2019 1:54:49 GMT -8
This thread is an epic mess. From Tinkle, to airports, to duck conspiracy theories, to apples/oranges. I know we have not been successful in basketball for a while, but this whole season just shows how far behind the fan base really is in college basketball IQ.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 26, 2019 6:26:29 GMT -8
It takes 35 minutes to get from Eugene's podunk airport to Corvallis. You can't even get out of LAX in that amount of time. Not having a major airport isn't even a factor in recruiting. It’s just another example of how small Corvallis is, that’s all. Corvallis and Pullman are small compared to the towns of the schools they recruit against. Someone called Spokane small - multiple indoor malls, multiple water parks, international airport, a regional theme/amusement park, all of which Corvallis has none. And that’s just a small portion of the things Corvallis doesn’t have. Corvallis is small and there are a lot of posters here who can’t remember how a lot of 16-17 year old boys think. A couple nifty coffee shops, bakeries and specialty pizza places really don’t influence the average football or basketball recruit. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 26, 2019 7:54:40 GMT -8
Which is exactly why Ames, Stillwater, Mercury, Waco, or other comparable-sized cities people bring up and say, "If they can be successful there, why not here" are apples to oranges with Corvallis. You mostly recruit against your peer group. And the colleges in our peer group are not in Big 12-type cities.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 26, 2019 8:32:33 GMT -8
Which is exactly why Ames, Stillwater, Mercury, Waco, or other comparable-sized cities people bring up and say, "If they can be successful there, why not here" are apples to oranges with Corvallis. You mostly recruit against your peer group. And the colleges in our peer group are not in Big 12-type cities. I think we're talking the same thing here. OSU competes against schools in 9 big cities, WSU and uo. The big cities have an inherent advantage. It can be argued that the California schools and Arizona schools have a weather advantage over all of the other league schools. Certain teams have a big money advantage over others. OSU and WSU have essentially none of those advantages. We don't recruit against those other guys, and just because they are in smaller towns doesn't mean they have the exact same issues we have. Iowa State is a big school, has been bigger than OSU for a long time. Baylor is a Christian school, totally different deal. Stillwater has T Boone among other things. Anyways, just because the towns are small doesn't mean comparing we're comparing apples with apples. I think you are trying to say that, I am. |
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Post by green85 on Mar 26, 2019 9:32:23 GMT -8
It takes 35 minutes to get from Eugene's podunk airport to Corvallis. You can't even get out of LAX in that amount of time. Not having a major airport isn't even a factor in recruiting. Having lived in Eugene and traveled on business many times from the Eugene airport, I think "podunk" is a compliment. Because it is a "podunk airport" it means it is much less crowded and much easier to navigate than PDX. I don't need to take a shuttle from long-term parking to the terminal ... it is a short walk. Because most of my travel is eastward, I am quite pleased with easy connections to intermediate major hubs like Denver (United), Salt Lake City (Delta), and Phoenix (American) to travel to just about any of my Midwest destinations. And if I have to travel farther east (Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville, etc.) I can always make a puddle jump from Eugene to Portland or Seattle for direct flights to those other locations. Someone mentioned the extra cost of flying out of Eugene compared to flying out of Portland. The money I save on gas, wear-and-tear on the car, and parking by flying out of Eugene is nice. But more important to me is the time and lower stress. Corvallis is close enough to Portland that I would flip a coin on choosing PDX or Eugene. But living in Eugene I cannot find a great justification for driving I-5 to PDX when talking money or time. Trust me, I have made that trip to PDX multiple times since 1994 - and it was at the direction of a company that wanted to save $35 total for a trip. Same company wanted me to stay in Motel 6 and Super 8 to save $30 a night. Interesting to note, the company was based in Corvallis. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 26, 2019 10:04:01 GMT -8
Eugene is nice to fly out of, but often far more expensive. Have not checked out the fare for the new flight to Chicago, I'll bet it is pricey. It sure is to Denver, Phoenix or LA, compared to PDX.
One big positive to EUG is the short drive home after returning from a trip. Driving to PDX isn't bad, because I often go early or after 7 p.m. to catch a redeye east, but the drive back from PDX is tiresome.
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