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Post by kersting13 on Feb 18, 2019 23:47:42 GMT -8
Man on 3rd, 2 outs.
Batter hits grounder, batter reaches on infield error, runner from 3rd scores.
Does the batter get credit for the RBI?
If there were 1 out, he would certainly get credit for the RBI, but with 2 outs, his grounder would have been the 3rd out of the inning, so the run is unearned, but I'm a little less certain about the RBI situation. My gut tells me NO for the RBI, but I'm not 100% sure.
I suppose this would be easy enough for me to google, but I just thought I'd ask here anyhow.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 19, 2019 0:00:33 GMT -8
Man on 3rd, 2 outs. Batter hits grounder, batter reaches on infield error, runner from 3rd scores. Does the batter get credit for the RBI? If there were 1 out, he would certainly get credit for the RBI, but with 2 outs, his grounder would have been the 3rd out of the inning, so the run is unearned, but I'm a little less certain about the RBI situation. My gut tells me NO for the RBI, but I'm not 100% sure. I suppose this would be easy enough for me to google, but I just thought I'd ask here anyhow. In general you never get an RBI reaching on and error. The scorekeeper can't assume the runner would have scored. In some cases official scorers can say it was a contact play, runner was going hit or E he scores... or deep fly ball that is dropped runner tagging would have scored. Official scorers have some leeway/discretion in some cases... except as you say it would be the 3rd out. The question of whether you get the RBI is not a matter of whether the BATTER reaches via error, but whether the guy who scores, SCORES because of the error. |
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Post by sagebrush on Feb 19, 2019 6:34:20 GMT -8
read 1111's last sentence. He is correct.
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Post by sagebrush on Feb 19, 2019 6:46:33 GMT -8
The batter still gets screwed on a error by the OF on what would have been a SF. Yeah, he would still get the RBI but would be charged an AB, 0 for 1. Had the OF caught the ball, the team would record an out and no runner on base. Drops it and not only is there no out, the batter is on base and he is still 0 for 1 instead of no AB with an out. No justice.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 19, 2019 7:43:21 GMT -8
The batter still gets screwed on a error by the OF on what would have been a SF. Yeah, he would still get the RBI but would be charged an AB, 0 for 1. Had the OF caught the ball, the team would record an out and no runner on base. Drops it and not only is there no out, the batter is on base and he is still 0 for 1 instead of no AB with an out. No justice. The OS can award a SF, RBI and an error in that situation, so the batter is not penalized. m.mlb.com/glossary/standard-stats/sacrifice-fly |
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Post by sagebrush on Feb 19, 2019 8:14:02 GMT -8
Better hope that it is a home scorer in that situation.😁
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Post by kersting13 on Feb 19, 2019 9:23:17 GMT -8
read 1111's last sentence. He is correct. OK, that helps. If I apply the same logic as if this were a fly ball to the OF, the runner at 3rd scores and awards an RBI to the batter with less than 2 outs (sac fly) regardless if the ball is caught, but with 2 outs, a dropped fly ball wouldn't be an RBI, because the sac fly is out of consideration. I'm actually looking at a score book from a youth tournament championship game from last year and attempting to put the box score together correctly. It's amazing how much more difficult it is to properly score youth games than it is to properly score an MLB game - even disregarding the number of WPs and PBs in youth games. There's just a LOT more stuff going on. Batters taking extra bases on throws, weird errors, etc. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 19, 2019 9:38:35 GMT -8
If I apply the same logic as if this were a fly ball to the OF, the runner at 3rd scores and awards an RBI to the batter with less than 2 outs (sac fly) regardless if the ball is caught, but with 2 outs, a dropped fly ball wouldn't be an RBI, because the sac fly is out of consideration.
Correct. No RBI can be awarded on a two-out error that would have directly resulted in the third out.
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Post by Tigardbeav on Feb 19, 2019 9:41:33 GMT -8
read 1111's last sentence. He is correct. OK, that helps. If I apply the same logic as if this were a fly ball to the OF, the runner at 3rd scores and awards an RBI to the batter with less than 2 outs (sac fly) regardless if the ball is caught, but with 2 outs, a dropped fly ball wouldn't be an RBI, because the sac fly is out of consideration. I'm actually looking at a score book from a youth tournament championship game from last year and attempting to put the box score together correctly. It's amazing how much more difficult it is to properly score youth games than it is to properly score an MLB game - even disregarding the number of WPs and PBs in youth games. There's just a LOT more stuff going on. Batters taking extra bases on throws, weird errors, etc. Yeah. Ute (what's a youth) baseball is much harder. You are anticipating a play as it's happening. Then something weird happens and you have to think for a moment...just then something else happens. Gotta stay on yer toes |
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