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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 30, 2018 9:04:31 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 9:38:52 GMT -8
Hollins is actually a guy I was worried about leaving last year and his body language this year at times is that of a guy who is drastically short on confidence. I hope I am wrong, because I really like Al's athleticism and think he is a mismatch for anyone guarding him if he can get involved. He's big enough that most guards would struggle with him down low, and he's quick and athletic enough that he can get by most bigs.
Is this something anyone has some inside information on that is fueling that speculation? Or is it just that, speculation? This isn't the first time I've seen or heard that.
No... it's just a immature/irresponsible poster tossing out a player's name to make a dig at me. Most posters do not toss out player's names about such unfounded/made up things. If he were to leave, like Jack Wilson, then discuss it. yeah but didn't you also say above that another player would be leaving after this season? Or did i misunderstand...I hope your unnamed player is not Hollins. I really feel like that kid can find himself and develop into a very good player at OS. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 9:44:30 GMT -8
Ok, this is really frustrating. Having watched this kid in HS, I was not a fan of him going to OSU. I tempered my negativity on discussing him here, but even the Heide upside was very orange-tinted: bennyshouse.com/thread/8016/2018-classWhat I think happened is that the kid was an absolute physical specimen as a HS sophomore, and programs got excited about his potential. However, watching him play, he was unable to dominate at the HS level, and was even often a liability on defense because his feet were in cement. He was also unable to consistently take advantage of his size on offense despite having 4-8" on any defender. Bottom line, he was a guy that looked intimidating in warmups, and after that he mostly just took up space. The assumption was that he'd grow into his body and pick up more speed after growing into his body. But quickness is a lot like size - it can't be taught. Coordination can be taught, but slow-twitch muscles do not change - and coordination wasn't an issue even as a soph - he was simply just slow. Because he committed early, maybe the staff felt they couldn't pull the offer, or maybe they thought he could still play a role against specific players. I did not see him in practice at OSU, seems some here think he could developed into a significant contributor. I remain highly skeptical, and we'll eventually find out by wherever he lands. At the end of the day, it's another bad recruiting miss by this coaching staff. Fortunately for my emotional investment, I had already planned on this one. hey BS if you are going to applaud yourself on the correct Jack Wilson prognostication you also have to admit you missed badly here: -Kylor Kelly: Wayne has sold him as a late bloomer, which needs to be said to justify an offer on someone who wasn't dominant at a much lower college level. It looks like he's also been hurt much of this season so far, but maybe someone more local has better insights. In any case, for someone coming in with 3 to play 2, the assumption is that they are ready to contribute, not develop. This feels like a reach - likely insurance on a reserve needed to spell Jack fouls/breathers/time to develop should Eubanks go and Big G only having another year anyway. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 30, 2018 10:09:16 GMT -8
No... it's just a immature/irresponsible poster tossing out a player's name to make a dig at me. Most posters do not toss out player's names about such unfounded/made up things. If he were to leave, like Jack Wilson, then discuss it. yeah but didn't you also say above that another player would be leaving after this season? Or did i misunderstand...I hope your unnamed player is not Hollins. I really feel like that kid can find himself and develop into a very good player at OS. I mentioned that another, not by name, was the one thought you be considering or leaving. Only because Jack wasn't the guy they "heard" was unhappy. So, hopefully there is not another... but, depending on how the season progresses... I mean, right now half the incoming frosh class is gone. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 30, 2018 11:03:26 GMT -8
What I wonder is....
What is the freshman/sophomore transfer rate these days compared to 20, 30 and 40 years ago?
Seems to me more kids used to stick it out and not leave because they were buried behind another kid a year or two older and might have to wait for their time to come.
Unless we have another anonymous big kid hidden in this class or next, Wilson would have had plenty of PT come his junior year unless he just isn't fit for this level. If he isn't fit for this level, that's something the coaches need to work on as far as recruiting strategy.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 30, 2018 11:21:02 GMT -8
1111, Obviously you have coached, and know sports. We just disagree on the amount Tinkle, et all, had to do with the development of NBA players like Eubanks and Payton II. Of course they worked out on their own, with individual coaches. I just believe this staff, while maybe not the best, did have something to do with the development of those two, and with other players. I also think Tinkle's first four-plus seasons are a vast improvement on Robinson's. In the words of Bob Dylan, "We always did feel the same, we just saw it from a different point of view." Happy New Year to you, and to Beaver fans everywhere. PS: Here is a list of 2018 transfers. It's immense. www.verbalcommits.com/transfers/2018 |
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 30, 2018 12:52:25 GMT -8
1111, Obviously you have coached, and know sports. We just disagree on the amount Tinkle, et all, had to do with the development of NBA players like Eubanks and Payton II. Of course they worked out on their own, with individual coaches. I just believe this staff, while maybe not the best, did have something to do with the development of those two, and with other players. I also think Tinkle's first four-plus seasons are a vast improvement on Robinson's. In the words of Bob Dylan, "We always did feel the same, we just saw it from a different point of view." Happy New Year to you, and to Beaver fans everywhere. PS: Here is a list of 2018 transfers. It's immense. www.verbalcommits.com/transfers/2018Ill only make this comparison... JJ to CR vast improvement CR to WT basically status quo Happy 2019 and beyond to you, yours, Beaver Nation. |
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Post by ostate on Dec 30, 2018 13:35:42 GMT -8
What I wonder is.... What is the freshman/sophomore transfer rate these days compared to 20, 30 and 40 years ago? Seems to me more kids used to stick it out and not leave because they were buried behind another kid a year or two older and might have to wait for their time to come. Unless we have another anonymous big kid hidden in this class or next, Wilson would have had plenty of PT come his junior year unless he just isn't fit for this level. If he isn't fit for this level, that's something the coaches need to work on as far as recruiting strategy. I looked and looked... nowhere does it say Wilson is transferring, he left the program - I suspect grades... |
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Post by easyheat on Dec 30, 2018 14:08:35 GMT -8
Persistent back injury?
Incompatability?
Dismissed?
Changed his mind?
What?
We were told, "Four Star 7-footer with potential".
Were McLaughlin, Kone and Wilson all recruiting "misses"?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 15:45:59 GMT -8
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Post by babeav on Dec 30, 2018 16:50:33 GMT -8
Jaquari.....not a miss but bad chemistry?
Kone....... was never really healthy after high school ACL.
Wilson......swing and miss.....back injury probably a cause.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 30, 2018 19:00:19 GMT -8
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 30, 2018 19:52:25 GMT -8
Ok, this is really frustrating. Having watched this kid in HS, I was not a fan of him going to OSU. I tempered my negativity on discussing him here, but even the Heide upside was very orange-tinted: bennyshouse.com/thread/8016/2018-classWhat I think happened is that the kid was an absolute physical specimen as a HS sophomore, and programs got excited about his potential. However, watching him play, he was unable to dominate at the HS level, and was even often a liability on defense because his feet were in cement. He was also unable to consistently take advantage of his size on offense despite having 4-8" on any defender. Bottom line, he was a guy that looked intimidating in warmups, and after that he mostly just took up space. The assumption was that he'd grow into his body and pick up more speed after growing into his body. But quickness is a lot like size - it can't be taught. Coordination can be taught, but slow-twitch muscles do not change - and coordination wasn't an issue even as a soph - he was simply just slow. Because he committed early, maybe the staff felt they couldn't pull the offer, or maybe they thought he could still play a role against specific players. I did not see him in practice at OSU, seems some here think he could developed into a significant contributor. I remain highly skeptical, and we'll eventually find out by wherever he lands. At the end of the day, it's another bad recruiting miss by this coaching staff. Fortunately for my emotional investment, I had already planned on this one. hey BS if you are going to applaud yourself on the correct Jack Wilson prognostication you also have to admit you missed badly here: -Kylor Kelly: Wayne has sold him as a late bloomer, which needs to be said to justify an offer on someone who wasn't dominant at a much lower college level. It looks like he's also been hurt much of this season so far, but maybe someone more local has better insights. In any case, for someone coming in with 3 to play 2, the assumption is that they are ready to contribute, not develop. This feels like a reach - likely insurance on a reserve needed to spell Jack fouls/breathers/time to develop should Eubanks go and Big G only having another year anyway.Didn't mean to infer I was applauding myself. I may still be very wrong on Jack; he could do well elsewhere. My point is that if this schlub (who has no talent evaluation skills beyond some limited assistant HS coaching) could foresee some limitations at the Pac-12 level, I'd hope that those being paid 6+ figures to do so could as well - that's what I find frustrating. I'm very happy to be wrong about Kelley. Still, I don't think it's debatable that he was a high risk offer, given his history. |
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 30, 2018 20:04:34 GMT -8
What I wonder is.... What is the freshman/sophomore transfer rate these days compared to 20, 30 and 40 years ago? Seems to me more kids used to stick it out and not leave because they were buried behind another kid a year or two older and might have to wait for their time to come. Unless we have another anonymous big kid hidden in this class or next, Wilson would have had plenty of PT come his junior year unless he just isn't fit for this level. If he isn't fit for this level, that's something the coaches need to work on as far as recruiting strategy. I looked and looked... nowhere does it say Wilson is transferring, he left the program - I suspect grades... Wilson went to Serra in San Mateo, an all-boys catholic college prep school with a $22K/yr tuition which deeply prides itself in it's academic prep. This is the school that put Tom Brady into Michigan (among a long list of pro alumni). While certainly possible, I highly doubt he had trouble passing classes at OSU. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 9:00:34 GMT -8
hey BS if you are going to applaud yourself on the correct Jack Wilson prognostication you also have to admit you missed badly here: -Kylor Kelly: Wayne has sold him as a late bloomer, which needs to be said to justify an offer on someone who wasn't dominant at a much lower college level. It looks like he's also been hurt much of this season so far, but maybe someone more local has better insights. In any case, for someone coming in with 3 to play 2, the assumption is that they are ready to contribute, not develop. This feels like a reach - likely insurance on a reserve needed to spell Jack fouls/breathers/time to develop should Eubanks go and Big G only having another year anyway.Didn't mean to infer I was applauding myself. I may still be very wrong on Jack; he could do well elsewhere. My point is that if this schlub (who has no talent evaluation skills beyond some limited assistant HS coaching) could foresee some limitations at the Pac-12 level, I'd hope that those being paid 6+ figures to do so could as well - that's what I find frustrating. I'm very happy to be wrong about Kelley. Still, I don't think it's debatable that he was a high risk offer, given his history. i think you (not you) would be a moron to not offer a 7 foot kid with basketball in his genes who once blocked 43 shots in a quarter (exaggerating to make a point). Extreme height is so rare and so applicable to the sport of basketball you almost have to offer 7 footers if there is a chance of landing them. For this i forgive Tinkle for a recruiting mistake like Wilson (even 6'll not 7'). You can't coach height and even the stiffest 7 footers have usage in the sport all the way to the NBA What percentage of american 7 footers play in the NBA? |
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