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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 21, 2018 18:44:06 GMT -8
No other PAC12 school but OSU would tolerate and retain a coach who's long since proven himself to be as mediocre as has Tinkle. Men's baskets are generally inept at OSU because we continue to tolerate it. And it will be that way until someone in authority decides this school simply won't put up with it any longer. Put some $$$ together and run a smart national search-- we CAN do much much better. Lorenzo Romar last five years at UW: 18-16, 17-15, 16-15, 19-15, 9-22. Pac-12 record, 34-46. Two NITs, no NCAAs. Looks like UW tolerated it and retained it just fine. But they don't have any resources there, nor local talent, nor a big city to recruit to, right? Maybe WT isn't the answer. LR sure isn't, however. And as far as the Porter brothers go, I thought we didn't like coaches bringing in their own kids? |
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 21, 2018 18:48:00 GMT -8
No other PAC12 school but OSU would tolerate and retain a coach who's long since proven himself to be as mediocre as has Tinkle. Men's baskets are generally inept at OSU because we continue to tolerate it. And it will be that way until someone in authority decides this school simply won't put up with it any longer. Put some $$$ together and run a smart national search-- we CAN do much much better. Lorenzo Romar last five years at UW: 18-16, 17-15, 16-15, 19-15, 9-22. Pac-12 record, 34-46. Two NITs, no NCAAs. Looks like UW tolerated it and retained it just fine. But they don't have any resources there, nor local talent, nor a big city to recruit to, right? Maybe WT isn't the answer. LR sure isn't, however. And as far as the Porter brothers go, I thought we didn't like coaches bringing in their own kids? Who's we? UWs worst year they finished 11th, OSU 12th. Coach's kids aren't the issue. It's that they are the only recruits of any stature. Is the coach supposed to not recruit his own urban area? It's a fault? He didn't still have to out recruit other schools? He was still good enough to actually get that job and be 100+ games over .500 |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 21, 2018 19:09:43 GMT -8
My point was, he had advantages at UW we can only dream about, yet was mediocre at best his final five years.
Maybe WT isn't the answer. LR sure isn't, however.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 21, 2018 19:12:15 GMT -8
I would like the geniouses who want Tinkle gone to explain why the next hire will out-perform Tinkle (who has out-performed the previous 6 head and interim head basketball coaches OSU has had the last 28 years).
The season is young. UO just lost to a team ranked 50 slots below Kent State on the NCAA NET rankings.. they SHOULD fire their coach, he's running a dirty program, recruiting top talent, and still losing games this season.
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Post by jbjam on Dec 21, 2018 19:14:46 GMT -8
Who the #()$(* keeps doing these contracts? Why does OSU continually make decisions out of fear? There was no risk of losing him.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 21, 2018 19:28:14 GMT -8
Who the #()$(* keeps doing these contracts? Why does OSU continually make decisions out of fear? There was no risk of losing him. He got a new contract after we made the NCAA tournament for the first time in 25 years. Yeah, that’s stupid 😣 |
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 21, 2018 19:31:03 GMT -8
I would like the geniouses who want Tinkle gone to explain why the next hire will out-perform Tinkle (who has out-performed the previous 6 head and interim head basketball coaches OSU has had the last 28 years). The season is young. UO just lost to a team ranked 50 slots below Kent State on the NCAA NET rankings.. they SHOULD fire their coach, he's running a dirty program, recruiting top talent, and still losing games this season. Wait... because posters can't guarantee a better hire and past coaches were unsuccessful, we keep an ineffective coach who can't recruit and/or develop talent. Yeah... great philosophy! Lol |
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 21, 2018 19:34:27 GMT -8
Who the #()$(* keeps doing these contracts? Why does OSU continually make decisions out of fear? There was no risk of losing him. He got a new contract after we made the NCAA tournament for the first time in 25 years. Yeah, that’s stupid 😣 Yep... it was. It was based on one player that wasn't his recruit. There was zero pressure, zip, of anyone hiring him away for exactly that reason. And, poof... proof has been fairly evident. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 21, 2018 19:45:56 GMT -8
Lorenzo Romar last five years at UW: 18-16, 17-15, 16-15, 19-15, 9-22. Pac-12 record, 34-46. Two NITs, no NCAAs. Looks like UW tolerated it and retained it just fine. But they don't have any resources there, nor local talent, nor a big city to recruit to, right? Maybe WT isn't the answer. LR sure isn't, however. And as far as the Porter brothers go, I thought we didn't like coaches bringing in their own kids? Um no they didn't tolerate it. They fired him. 🤦🏼♂️ And anyway he had a prior track record of success at UW that far exceeds anything Tinkle has had here (or anywhere) so he was afforded more leeway. Lorenzo was 42-44 at Pepperdine, with an NIT. He then went 51-44 at Saint Louis, with one NCAA. He had some success at UW, when Cameron Dollar was recruiting (and cheating) for him. Maybe WT isn't the answer. LR sure isn't, however. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 21, 2018 20:17:55 GMT -8
Um no they didn't tolerate it. They fired him. 🤦🏼♂️ And anyway he had a prior track record of success at UW that far exceeds anything Tinkle has had here (or anywhere) so he was afforded more leeway. Lorenzo was 42-44 at Pepperdine, with an NIT. He then went 51-44 at Saint Louis, with one NCAA. He had some success at UW, when Cameron Dollar was recruiting (and cheating) for him. Maybe WT isn't the answer. LR sure isn't, however. Cheating... caught? Both records taking over teams worth single digit wins... and both fat superior to WT at OSU... 21-43 without GPII. Again not the best option, but far superior if it was ever choice. Which it'll never be at LR age and WT's buyout. |
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Post by orangeexpress on Dec 21, 2018 20:31:59 GMT -8
Without the exact #s, which someone will have, I think we're + over $1mil/year this football staff vs GAG. I'm sure we're + $ in the baseball turnover. Now can we find a great young teacher for a nice beginners salary? Lol The AD dept lost $6.5 mil in the last year. Even with the GAG savings, Tinks will get another year.
Romar was just here...maybe we can bring him in on the cheap. After all, he was set to come here and replace Eddie Payne til the AD's office mucked it up at the last minute.
I recall it slightly differently regarding Romar and him potentially taking over the basketball program. I believe he was Dutch's #1 choice after Jimmy retired, when he was UCLA's top assistant after a few years as the Athletes in Action head coach. We made him the offer but UCLA was able to counter and keep him down south. I don't recall if we low-balled him or something else happened that led him to turn it down. From there I cannot recall how many others we considered before selecting Eddie. Meanwhile I recall Eddie being terminated with Ritchie McKay already being the leader in the clubhouse to replace him. Cheers |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 21, 2018 20:32:40 GMT -8
Lorenzo was 42-44 at Pepperdine, with an NIT. He then went 51-44 at Saint Louis, with one NCAA. He had some success at UW, when Cameron Dollar was recruiting (and cheating) for him. Maybe WT isn't the answer. LR sure isn't, however. Cheating... caught? Both records taking over teams worth single digit wins... and both fat superior to WT at OSU... 21-43 without GPII. Again not the best option, but far superior if it was ever choice. Which it'll never be at LR age and WT's buyout. Yes cheating and yes, caught. community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20021003&slug=umen03 |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 21, 2018 20:40:15 GMT -8
He got a new contract after we made the NCAA tournament for the first time in 25 years. Yeah, that’s stupid 😣 Yep... it was. It was based on one player that wasn't his recruit. There was zero pressure, zip, of anyone hiring him away for exactly that reason. And, poof... proof has been fairly evident. He had to re-recruit GPII. You have to give him a little credit. And it wasn’t based on 1 player, per my previous post |
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Post by babeav on Dec 21, 2018 20:45:18 GMT -8
Watch Romar at the Les Schwab Invite big time recruits flock to him. Over Wayne I would take Lorenzo in a heartbeat.....get him the assistants to Xand O....let him recruit.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 21, 2018 21:44:54 GMT -8
Lorenzo was 42-44 at Pepperdine, with an NIT. He then went 51-44 at Saint Louis, with one NCAA. He had some success at UW, when Cameron Dollar was recruiting (and cheating) for him. Maybe WT isn't the answer. LR sure isn't, however. Cheating... caught? Both records taking over teams worth single digit wins... and both fat superior to WT at OSU... 21-43 without GPII. Again not the best option, but far superior if it was ever choice. Which it'll never be at LR age and WT's buyout. Tinkle has had 1 losing season in 4 and it was obvious it was going to be a disaster because the previous coach dropped the ball in recruiting his last couple years. Until he has another bad season I'd have to consider it an outlier. A more fair comparison if you have to make one probably would be the 2 years with GP against last and this year's combined records. My guess is they'll be similar. I'll take .500 and above and an occasional NCAA tournament over the dreck we saw for the previous 24 years. I'd prefer better for sure... but you're starting to sound like the guys who were in favor of dropping Riley because "we can do better" and you shouldn't "accept mediocrity". I'm seeing a glimmer of purpose in the offense, at times, it needs to be full time. That was my biggest gripe Tinkle's first 3 years. This year has been hot and cold so far. My biggest question now about our coaches is, can they put together a string of decent recruiting years and hold on to the kids for at least 3 years? I doubt they'll ever intentionally load up on one and dones, and if they can't get 3 year of play out of most of their recruits they may have a very rough time getting in the top third of the conference. I'm reserving any "hot seat" talk until we actually see the results of this entire season. |
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