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Post by seastape on Aug 16, 2018 12:28:42 GMT -8
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Post by mbabeav on Aug 17, 2018 11:14:49 GMT -8
In one respect, this is representative of a lot of the "ready, shoot, aim" aspects of implementing new technologies, especially when grandiose promises are made - but it also demonstrates a highly frustrating aspect of government construction - politics and promises get in the way of reality. The forest products industry has suffered greatly and this new "miracle" technology became a bipartisan rallying cry. We also have alumni nepotism, not an uncommon thing but this time it bit us in the a$$, dollar signs used literally.
Reminds me of the wonderful decade long effort to build the new section of HWY 20 going over to Newport - no sooner had they spent millions on bridges, the bridges literally started falling down, and they had to spend well over 100 million more to work around the issue because they hired a construction company that was clueless about the geology of the coast range - low bidder and all that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 6:31:27 GMT -8
In one respect, this is representative of a lot of the "ready, shoot, aim" aspects of implementing new technologies, especially when grandiose promises are made - but it also demonstrates a highly frustrating aspect of government construction - politics and promises get in the way of reality. The forest products industry has suffered greatly and this new "miracle" technology became a bipartisan rallying cry. We also have alumni nepotism, not an uncommon thing but this time it bit us in the a$$, dollar signs used literally. Reminds me of the wonderful decade long effort to build the new section of HWY 20 going over to Newport - no sooner had they spent millions on bridges, the bridges literally started falling down, and they had to spend well over 100 million more to work around the issue because they hired a construction company that was clueless about the geology of the coast range - low bidder and all that. i dont know that nepotism had a lot to do with the failures of this project. The original contractor Walsh Construction won the bid fair and square. Then the requirements of the job i.e. the use of unproven materials bloated the project way beyond the original scope. Walsh ate the contract and walked away. Nepotism really was not a factor that i know of. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 21, 2018 6:46:51 GMT -8
No construction materials are infallible, as demonstrated (again) by he recent Genoa bridge collapse.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 8:37:08 GMT -8
No construction materials are infallible, as demonstrated (again) by he recent Genoa bridge collapse. recent breakthroughs with dental tartar are amazing. It builds itself and adheres to any materials and dries with such a strong degree of molecular bonding it cannot be taken apart with a pickaxe. In fact my dentist needs a high powered drill. |
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Post by mbabeav on Aug 21, 2018 10:21:12 GMT -8
No construction materials are infallible, as demonstrated (again) by he recent Genoa bridge collapse. Normally it is not the material, it is the men - you decide what you want to pay to get the job done, and then the material that fits the bill goes into it. When the first space shuttle blew up, my father in law, who worked for a big contractor that kept getting squeezed by NASA (the company was not responsible for either the solid stage rockets or decisions about launching in below freezing weather) had only one response. "I am surprised it took this long." |
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Post by baseba1111 on Aug 21, 2018 11:48:36 GMT -8
As understand the issue and contract it is not due so much to the product concept, but the requirement of the local subcontractor. Issuing that to a company that had never produced CLT, had to set up a factory/buy equipment, and then find or train employees on a very technical process with very specific handling procedures was the mistake.
Keeping it "local" to promote Oregon forestry should not take precedence over a safe, quality product as is produced 200 miles further with 11 years experience and no history of any failures.
The product has been used for years in Europe. I've never heard of any failures, especially on this magnitude. The issue is in Riddle not in the product idea/use.
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 21, 2018 12:23:19 GMT -8
In one respect, this is representative of a lot of the "ready, shoot, aim" aspects of implementing new technologies, especially when grandiose promises are made - but it also demonstrates a highly frustrating aspect of government construction - politics and promises get in the way of reality. The forest products industry has suffered greatly and this new "miracle" technology became a bipartisan rallying cry. We also have alumni nepotism, not an uncommon thing but this time it bit us in the a$$, dollar signs used literally. Reminds me of the wonderful decade long effort to build the new section of HWY 20 going over to Newport - no sooner had they spent millions on bridges, the bridges literally started falling down, and they had to spend well over 100 million more to work around the issue because they hired a construction company that was clueless about the geology of the coast range - low bidder and all that. Actually, the Eddyville Hwy 20 ODOT job wasn't a traditional low bid project. It was a design-build contract that indeed went horribly wrong. As someone in the industry, I did get a kick however that after the failed "fancy" viaduct, the ODOT design for the re-bid came out with good ol' box culverts and pipes, and excavation to embankment. I did however used to work with a guy that went to work for the original contractor, and was a main player in the project. We had noted before the Hwy 20 job that he basically left a trail of death in his wake wherever he went, so the outcome wasn't surprising to me in the least. |
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Post by lebaneaver on Aug 21, 2018 15:04:32 GMT -8
20, east and west of the valley has always been a money sucker. A geographical nightmare for road maintenance.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 21:13:28 GMT -8
I never liked the plans for peavy hall, my opinion is every building on OSU's Campus should be brick and classic looking
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Post by seastape on Aug 23, 2018 7:36:05 GMT -8
I never liked the plans for peavy hall, my opinion is every building on OSU's Campus should be brick and classic looking I like that idea to an extent, but the execution sometimes goes awry...I remember sometime around 1988 or so the new electrical engineering building by ~14th and Monroe was built with what was supposed to be the classic brick feel but it is decidedly different from the brick on the older buildings. It didn't fit with the older brick buildings on campus.
I also like the older, wood buildings on campus, as well, such as Benton and Fairbanks and the older block buildings like Waldo.
What I don't like to see is the modern looking stuff, like that greenish-blue monstrosity on Monroe and 23rd (which used to be a great place to park for free for football games until people got wise to it). |
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Post by kersting13 on Aug 23, 2018 9:23:40 GMT -8
I never liked the plans for peavy hall, my opinion is every building on OSU's Campus should be brick and classic looking I like that idea to an extent, but the execution sometimes goes awry...I remember sometime around 1988 or so the new electrical engineering building by ~14th and Monroe was built with what was supposed to be the classic brick feel but it is decidedly different from the brick on the older buildings. It didn't fit with the older brick buildings on campus.
I also like the older, wood buildings on campus, as well, such as Benton and Fairbanks and the older block buildings like Waldo.
What I don't like to see is the modern looking stuff, like that greenish-blue monstrosity on Monroe and 23rd (which used to be a great place to park for free for football games until people got wise to it). Weniger and Snell/MU East must be contemporaries. |
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